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Utoo said:
The fact of the matter is that one flag jacket is given mountains of symbolism because it fits with your Pop argument, while one flag jacket means nothing at all because it doesn't fit the argument. One is an "obvious" symbol for selling out, the band's turn towards commercialism and away from integrity, etc. etc. etc., and the other--while the same exact thing--means nothing at all because it doesn't quite fit.

Yup, pretty much. When all evidence points to a certain conclusion, then that conclusion gains more solid ground to stand on. And there's no smoke without fire. Maybe that's why you see so many people making criticisms these days. Hey, but what do we know? We're just fans on a message board. :wink:
 
As for the topic at hand, I haven't really heard the song more than a couple of times. It seems okay but nothing exceptional. The drums are probably my favorite part. It's catchy and sticks in your head but overall it feels a little boring or something. :slant:
 
Zootlesque said:


I'm not sure. I'm only talking about how he comes off these days in the public eye. I could be totally wrong on this. But...

Could be wrong? Seems like it.

Zootlesque said:

- panicking at the comparitively low sales of Pop in America
Who wouldn't panic, when they barely broke even the tour before? Show me one band.

Zootlesque said:

- coming out with safe pop melodies soon afterwards to get sales figures up at the expense of the music
This is crap. So anyone who writes pop melodies are going after sales figures? Gimme a break.

Zootlesque said:

- changing 'Pop' songs on the already messed up Best Of just to make them more radio friendly
Which one is more radio friendly? I haven't heard one.

Zootlesque said:

- apologizing for Pop & how they were at the end of the 90s
They apologized for Pop not being finished, nothing else. Wouldn't you apologize?
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Could be wrong? Seems like it.

Okay. I'm fine with being wrong. Just stating what I feel. :)

BonoVoxSupastar said:
Who wouldn't panic, when they barely broke even the tour before? Show me one band.

Radiohead didn't panic after mixed reception to Amnesiac. REM didn't panic after mixed response to Up. Now REM's gone to the other extreme of too self indulgent and boring, but that's a different issue altogether.

BonoVoxSupastar said:

This is crap. So anyone who writes pop melodies are going after sales figures? Gimme a break.

I think pop music sells more than rock. Especially made-for-the-chart hits like U2 seems to be aiming for these days. I guess you disagree.

BonoVoxSupastar said:

Which one is more radio friendly? I haven't heard one.

Gone is. Discotheque is.

BonoVoxSupastar said:
They apologized for Pop not being finished, nothing else. Wouldn't you apologize?

Their 'correction' of those songs on the Best Of felt like they were apologising for the whole Pop album and it's sound. Again, maybe I'm wrong.
 
Zootlesque said:


Radiohead didn't panic after mixed reception to Amnesiac. REM didn't panic after mixed response to Up. Now REM's gone to the other extreme of too self indulgent and boring, but that's a different issue altogether.

Neither of these bands were putting on a tour like POP, and neither of them ever will.


Zootlesque said:


I think pop music sells more than rock.

Damn Beatles!!! :madspit:


Zootlesque said:

Gone is. Discotheque is.

:eyebrow: Really?
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Neither of these bands were putting on a tour like POP, and neither of them ever will.

Yeah but did U2 panic because of the bad start to the Popmart tour or because the album Pop wasn't well received in the US? I thought it was because of the latter, that the album didn't sell well enough!

BonoVoxSupastar said:
Damn Beatles!!! :madspit:

Frankly I think pop music in the vein of The Beatles doesn't suit U2. I love pop music and I love beautifully constructed songs like Penny Lane and Here Comes The Sun. I just don't think U2's attempt at that genre was very successful. :shrug:

BonoVoxSupastar said:

Yeah that's what I feel. Discotheque was castrated of the Boom Chas so more people will like (get?) it. As for Gone, the keyboards are much more prominent in the New Mix. You can hardly hear the screaming guitar from the album except in the outro. So yeah it seems more pop and more... radio friendly, to me at least.
 
It goes both ways. :huh:

If you're not crazy about Pop (or Zooropa or AB), you'll be labeled a sheep and not a real fan. Even more so if you liked both ATYCLB and Bomb = clearly a casual fan.

- Erm, the whole band wasn't impressed with the Pop sales in US, but no problem, Bono is the scape goat these days

- No. The band was getting away from all the layers as early as Popmart soundchecks. Remember that Howie B quote how he kept getting effects and beats out but the sound kept getting bigger?

- No, it was taking another look at the songs. A best of is a perfect opportunity for that. 97 U2 had their fair shot at making the songs. That would be the U2 that did 3 single versions when the album came out because they thought it was so finished.

- Care to provide a quote? All I have seen is them say that the album was unfinished (see above), and that the "packaging" could be better.

U2 and REM/Radiohead = apples and oranges. LOL I'm sure the boom chas made all the difference in "getting" Discotheque.
 
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Zootlesque said:


Yeah but did U2 panic because of the bad start to the Popmart tour or because the album Pop wasn't well received in the US? I thought it was because of the latter, that the album didn't sell well enough!

To me, I understood the panic was about the tour...


Zootlesque said:

Yeah that's what I feel. Discotheque was castrated of the Boom Chas so more people will like (get?) it. As for Gone, the keyboards are much more prominent in the New Mix. You can hardly hear the screaming guitar from the album except in the outro. So yeah it seems more pop and more... radio friendly, to me at least.

Yeah, I miss the Boom Chas, but don't think either way really made it more or less radio-friendly...

Fair enough, but none of this really supports the corporate whore label you gave them...
 
U2girl said:


- No. The band was getting away from all the layers as early as Popmart soundchecks. Remember that Howie B quote how he kept getting effects and beats out but the sound kept getting bigger?


:shh: Some people don't like the facts...
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
Fair enough, but none of this really supports the corporate whore label you gave them...

I don't know, it seems like music is the last thing on Bono's mind these days. It's a business first I guess. Make sure the songs are perfectly constructed (and worked over a zillion times) to rope in the maximum fan base (biggest band in the world crap) and maximum sales possible. Even if he gets it right the first time like the (better) alternate versions are any indication, he fucks it up to get that radio friendly chart hit out of it. Bono (& maybe the whole band, not sure) seem all for the business aspect of it these days. Hence the whoring out to corporate monster comment. :shrug:

U2girl said:
It goes both ways. :huh:

If you're not crazy about Pop (or Zooropa or AB), you'll be labeled a sheep and not a real fan. Even more so if you liked both ATYCLB and Bomb = clearly a casual fan.

From what I've seen, if you dislike either of the last 2 albums and are vocal about it, you're considered a troll or bad fan or person who only registered to bring the band down at every instance possible. Doesn't matter if the person really appreciates and is passionate about the past work. The sheep label is given to people who cannot tolerate any criticism of the band.

U2girl said:

- Care to provide a quote? All I have seen is them say that the album was unfinished (see above), and that the "packaging" could be better.

Sorry I don't have a quote. That's why I'm saying I could be wrong with my opinion on this. After all it could be based on something incorrect I read somewhere on the internet. Who knows! But to me this is not a contest as to who is right. Just a discussion.

The internet is serious business yo! ;)
 
i was playing Saints Row on xbox earlier today.
the main character you play works for a gang called The Saints.
so i played one of the mission where you had to invade another gangs hideout.
during the cutscene the Saints gang kicked the door open and the enemy gang shouted "the Saints are coming!"


:lmao:

:happy:
 
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Zootlesque said:

Even if he gets it right the first time like the (better) alternate versions are any indication, he fucks it up to get that radio friendly chart hit out of it. Bono (& maybe the whole band, not sure) seem all for the business aspect of it these days. Hence the whoring out to corporate monster comment. :shrug:

Awww, I just can't help myself. I've got to enter this argument.

If I'm not mistaken, there's some information in the U2 by U2 book that strongly refutes that above quote about Bono fucking up the HTDAAB songs to make them more radio friendly. I think it's Larry who is quoted as saying that Bono was the one who fought the strongest to release what would become the alternate versions back in 2003. He also says that Bono was the most hurt when the band out voted him regarding the release of the Chris Thomas produced material. Their record label chief Jimmy Iovine even thought they had a great album finished back in 2003, but the other members of the band vetoed Iovine and Bono's idea of a release that year.
 
Layton said:
If I'm not mistaken, there's some information in the U2 by U2 book that strongly refutes that above quote about Bono fucking up the HTDAAB songs to make them more radio friendly. I think it's Larry who is quoted as saying that Bono was the one who fought the strongest to release what would become the alternate versions back in 2003. He also says that Bono was the most hurt when the band out voted him regarding the release of the Chris Thomas produced material. Their record label chief Jimmy Iovine even thought they had a great album finished back in 2003, but the other members of the band vetoed Iovine and Bono's idea of a release that year.

If that's true, more power to Bono! :up:
 
Layton said:


Awww, I just can't help myself. I've got to enter this argument.

If I'm not mistaken, there's some information in the U2 by U2 book that strongly refutes that above quote about Bono fucking up the HTDAAB songs to make them more radio friendly. I think it's Larry who is quoted as saying that Bono was the one who fought the strongest to release what would become the alternate versions back in 2003. He also says that Bono was the most hurt when the band out voted him regarding the release of the Chris Thomas produced material. Their record label chief Jimmy Iovine even thought they had a great album finished back in 2003, but the other members of the band vetoed Iovine and Bono's idea of a release that year.

But Bono makes a better punching bag...
 
Problem is that none of these people have read U2 by U2 they would rather stay in this forum and complain about the band instead.

They would rather read their own thoughts then something informative, about what actually happened in the recording process.....because you know speculation is better then fact.

As a side note if it wasnt for corporations you people would have never heard of Radiohead, and Thom Yorke would be singing to his cats.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


There's a difference between not liking an album and then introducing yourself to the forum by creating every thread or entering every thread with the same exact Bomb sucks rhetoric. That's all you posted when you came here.

And obviously you didn't even get the lyrics right...:|

First of all, I admitted to getting the lyrics wrong. I only heard the song a couple times, and the one thing that stuck out to me was the rhyming scheme of trees, knees and please. Right lyrics or wrong, those 3 rhymes stuck out and annoyed me, cuz it all seemed so Bono-typical. Sorry, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who wishes Bono would spend a little more time on lyrics, being as he's so revered as a poetic soul. I know he's capable of it, because he has done it countless times before.

Second of all, I have made many positive posts about U2 on this forum. One being my recent praise for the Alicia Keys duet "Don't Give UP Africa". You chose to focus on my threads u disagree with, and you also chose to make this discussion personal, when all I wanted to do was talk about U2. Why do we have to talk about me? I don't talk about you. You can at least give me that much.
 
Utoo said:
Bono: Whoring himself out to the corporate monster that is Buenos Aires:

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Give me a break. People need to get over themselves. :|

LOL, awesome. Here's another photo of Bono whoring himself out, this time to Brazil. What. A. Slut. Clearly the fans are having none of it, screaming and waving their arms around in bitter disillusionment. :wink:

brazil.jpg
 
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Layton said:


Awww, I just can't help myself. I've got to enter this argument.

If I'm not mistaken, there's some information in the U2 by U2 book that strongly refutes that above quote about Bono fucking up the HTDAAB songs to make them more radio friendly. I think it's Larry who is quoted as saying that Bono was the one who fought the strongest to release what would become the alternate versions back in 2003. He also says that Bono was the most hurt when the band out voted him regarding the release of the Chris Thomas produced material. Their record label chief Jimmy Iovine even thought they had a great album finished back in 2003, but the other members of the band vetoed Iovine and Bono's idea of a release that year.

:hmm: Interesting.

My understanding was Bono and Edge wanted to come out with "Bomb" in 2003 but Larry and Adam said no.
 
Zootlesque said:


From what I've seen, if you dislike either of the last 2 albums and are vocal about it, you're considered a troll or bad fan or person who only registered to bring the band down at every instance possible. Doesn't matter if the person really appreciates and is passionate about the past work. The sheep label is given to people who cannot tolerate any criticism of the band.


Well, people do get tired of 24/7 picking on the last two albums, yes.

:shrug:

I'm just saying there is uproar at those who dislike last two albums as well as those who dislike (some of) their 90's output. Kind of like FYM with everyone in the 2 trenches.
 
Layton said:
If I'm not mistaken, there's some information in the U2 by U2 book that strongly refutes that above quote about Bono fucking up the HTDAAB songs to make them more radio friendly. I think it's Larry who is quoted as saying that Bono was the one who fought the strongest to release what would become the alternate versions back in 2003. He also says that Bono was the most hurt when the band out voted him regarding the release of the Chris Thomas produced material. Their record label chief Jimmy Iovine even thought they had a great album finished back in 2003, but the other members of the band vetoed Iovine and Bono's idea of a release that year.

1 Native Son
2 ABOY
3 Xanax
4 COBL
5 OSC
6 Yahweh
7 SYCMIOYO
8 LAPOE
9 OOTS ?
10 ?
11 ?

What are these missing songs ?
 
No need to be snotty to each other.

Let's continue with discussion of "The Saints Are Coming", as that is what this thread is for.
 
Layton said:


Awww, I just can't help myself. I've got to enter this argument.

If I'm not mistaken, there's some information in the U2 by U2 book that strongly refutes that above quote about Bono fucking up the HTDAAB songs to make them more radio friendly. I think it's Larry who is quoted as saying that Bono was the one who fought the strongest to release what would become the alternate versions back in 2003. He also says that Bono was the most hurt when the band out voted him regarding the release of the Chris Thomas produced material. Their record label chief Jimmy Iovine even thought they had a great album finished back in 2003, but the other members of the band vetoed Iovine and Bono's idea of a release that year.

thank god for that... short of xanax and wine, the alt. versions are crap.

and this is fact, because i said so. and because i said so, no one else is allowed an opinion.

you're either with me or you're with the terrorists.
 
Headache in a Suitcase said:


thank god for that... short of xanax and wine, the alt. versions are crap.

and this is fact, because i said so. and because i said so, no one else is allowed an opinion.

you're either with me or you're with the terrorists.

no need to be snotty

we all know the alt version of ABOY is far superior to the album version
 
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