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Old 12-04-2006, 10:30 PM   #31
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When even my mom knows Numb, I think that's a pretty good sign it was a popular song.
What a coincidence! My parents know Numb too. They love the video!

Well.. Numb was what, just a video single? So I can kinda sorta see them omitting it. But the other omissions are pretty glaring.
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:37 PM   #32
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That's all true...

Discotheque, if you all remember, is one of U2's 6 #1 hits in the UK and it was the last song to reach top 10 in Billboard Hot 100.
Still, songs like SATS, Stay, WGRYWH still get lots of radio airplay, at least in Portugal they are far more played than Desire, AIWIY or ABOY.
Plus, they have The Fly too. Ok, they consider that "it didn't stood the test of time" but it's another of U2's 6 #1's in the UK.
Finally, I remember the video for Numb getting lots of airplay in television and it did chart well despite being released only as video-single.
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But were they bigger than everything that made it on the album?
Some of the songs you named were, yes. Stuck In A Moment or Sweetest Thing's chart performances are bettered by, say, The Fly, EBTTRT, or Discotheque. I believe. We'd need one of the chart experts to say for sure. But if we're going by chart performance, there are definitely some peculiar omissions on U218.
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:57 PM   #34
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Discotheque, if you all remember, is one of U2's 6 #1 hits in the UK and it was the last song to reach top 10 in Billboard Hot 100.
Still, songs like SATS, Stay, WGRYWH still get lots of radio airplay, at least in Portugal they are far more played than Desire, AIWIY or ABOY.
Plus, they have The Fly too. Ok, they consider that "it didn't stood the test of time" but it's another of U2's 6 #1's in the UK.
Finally, I remember the video for Numb getting lots of airplay in television and it did chart well despite being released only as video-single.
Wow, very good points here. Even Lemon was a single in certain countries I think, with a hit video. It's all pretty befuddling why U2 would simply ignore these huge worldwide hits from the 90s. It almost seems like the present day U2 only wants to be seen in a certain light by music historians and revisionists. I think they want to be seen as this earnest, personal and political band that has withstood the test of time, making albums that everyone can relate to. The 80s and 00s material work very well in this regard. Honestly, how many people can relate to the weird electronic noises of Numb & Lemon or the screeching guitars of The Fly or Mofo? Songs like Sunday Bloody Sunday, Pride, Streets, WOWY, Beautiful Day, Walk On, Vertigo etc. have a much wider appeal. At the end of the day I think U2 does not want to be seen as the band that dressed up as the village people and made a fun video but more like rock messiahs.
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Why did they only choose 2 singles from the 90s (3 if you count Sweetest Thing) when there was so much to choose from?... The Fly, Mysterious Ways, One, Even Better Than The Real Thing, Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses, Stay(faraway, so close!), Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me, Miss Sarajevo, Discotheque, Staring At The Sun, Last Night On Earth, Please, If God Will Send His Angels & Mofo. They picked 4 songs from a single album (ATYCLB) and only half the number of songs from a whole decade??? If that doesn't show an anti-90s stance I don't know what does. No need for any long winded proofs or 'evidence'.
Because One and Mysterious Ways are the only two 90s songs a casual music fan (NOT a U2 fan by any means) can name. U218 wasn't designed for people that actually care about U2 music, it was designed for people that like the lame U2 songs that get played on crappy radio stations. That's why it includes songs like Sunday Bloody Sunday, Where the Streets Have No Name, With or Without You, One, Mysterious Ways, Beautiful Day, Elevation, and Vertigo. Because those are the songs that still get played on the radio, and that casual music fans age 15-50 know and like. Other songs from the 90s are certainly better (Last Night on Earth ) but if you play those songs for people that aren't U2 fans, they're not going to know, recognize, or like them probably.
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Wow, very good points here. Even Lemon was a single in certain countries I think, with a hit video.
Lemon was a single in Australia - I'm not sure if it was anywhere else, but if so, not many countries. I can't remember if it actually hit #1 in Australia, but I know it got into the top ten.

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Because One and Mysterious Ways are the only two 90s songs a casual music fan (NOT a U2 fan by any means) can name.
Bollocks. EBTTRT is just as, if not more, popular than Mysterious Ways. It's an extremely well known song.
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:20 PM   #37
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Other songs from the 90s are certainly better (Last Night on Earth ) but if you play those songs for people that aren't U2 fans, they're not going to know, recognize, or like them probably.
I don't know, that last bit is highly debatable. Besides, my point was... as far as I know there are other songs from the 90s that were HUGE hits worldwide. All singles too, not album tracks. Like, Discotheque and Fly were 2 of the 6 UK #1s? That's a pretty powerful statistic! Unless... if somebody can prove it with actual figures, maybe the 16 that they narrowed down to are the actual highest selling singles of all time??? Even if that is true, does chart success mean nothing at all?
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Look here friends, U2 is not happy with Pop at all. It's obvious. It was there worst received album and tour of the 90's (that's not saying every country received it poorly mind you), and they have acknowledged that it was rushed to meet their tour deadline. I think that they believe "Pop" has/had so much more potential and it's hard for them to look it straight in the eye.

I'm not a huge "Pop" lover, but I think that it should have been represented by at the very least 'Discotheque' on U218 Singles...then again so should have "Boy", "October", and "Zooropa". They obviously picked their favorite and most well known 16 songs and went with that.

I don't know what else to say here ...it is what it is.
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:08 AM   #39
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Bollocks. EBTTRT is just as, if not more, popular than Mysterious Ways. It's an extremely well known song.
& from Zooropa, I'd say in Australia that Lemon & Numb are - if not as well known - only a slither behind, and only because they wouldn't be as well known to those who didn't 'live' through the 90's. So once you get over about, maybe 23/24 years old.

I'm 28 and I'd say that the age bracket/demographic I live in (which is a huge range of people with a huge range of lifestyles and musical tastes) would know 90's U2 as well as they know 80's U2: everyone knows JT & AB, many know Zooropa and R&H quite well, and some know Pop & UF (as examples).

In fact, I think in all my time being someone with a perverse need to check out the CD racks of every new home I visit, I'd say without a doubt it goes in that order of 'most commonly spotted':

1) JT/AB - about the same.

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2) R&H/Zooropa - about the same.

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3) Pop/War/UF/ATYCLB - about the same.

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4) The rest.
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Well here's an experience that I would like to share with you all.

After rambling on about how great U2 was in concert, I had a friend who loathes U2 (but is a huge Beatles fan), finally ask me if he could borrow a couple of U2 DVD's.

I gave him Live from Sydney and the Vertigo tour. Initially my mate said the Vertigo DVD would be fine (to get an idea of what he thought I would've seen - though it's completely different as an outdoor gig). Anyway, my mate dismissed said, don't bother with the Sydney DVD because set list wasn't as strong. Sure he knew Fly, EBTTRT, One, but nothing else from Achtung (Zoo St, UTEOTW, TTTYAAAG, Love is Blindness etc and nothing from Zooropa).

Well, my mate was absolutely glowing 'bout Sydney and couldn't believe how strong the songs / set list was.

So I then lent him Popmart Video and again, he couldn't believe songs such as Gone, LNOE, MOFO, Please etc. All he knew was Discotheque.

The moral of the story - U2 has a crap load of great songs from the 90's that alot of casual listeners will never get to appreciate.

U2 should've waited until next year (when they became 30 years old), and released a double album called U230.

That would've done greater justice to their careers!
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:33 AM   #41
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I don't follow charts either, or sales figures! Maybe we need STING2 here.

Maybe they didn't choose Hold Me Thrill Me, cos it was on the soundtrack to Batman Forever, a film that (correct me if I'm wrong) did not do well in the US. And I guess they didn't pick Discotheque because Pop had comparatively bad sales figures in the US. Seems like it's a very US centric decision to me.
Discotheque did very well in the US. In the billboard hot 100 it goes:

1. With Or Without You (3 weeks)
1. I Still Haven't Found What Im Looking for (2 weeks)
3. Desire
9. Mysterious Ways
10. Discotheque
13. Where The Streets have No Name
14. Angel Of Harlem
16. Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me
21. Beautiful Day
26. Staring At The Sun
32. Even Better Than The Real Thing
33. Pride
34 (or was it 36). Vertigo
35. Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
44. In God's Country
50. All I Want Is You (1994 - Reality Bites soundtrack)
52. Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of
53. New Years Day
56 (I think). The Saints Are Coming
57. Last Night On Earth
61. The Fly
61. Numb
61. Stay
63. The Sweetest Thing
68. When Love Comes To Town
71. Lemon
77. Electrical Storm
81. I Will Follow (1984, Under A Blood Red Sky Live Single)
83. All I Want Is You (1989)
99. Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own

Also making it was Larry & Adams Theme from Mission Impossible at #7 (!?!?!?) and Wyclef and Bono's New Day at #41

Want a double CD? There it is. Just switch the live I Will Follow to the studio, and add in, Out Of Control, Gloria, October, Red Rocks Sunday Bloody Sunday, Elevation & COBL and you've got it.
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Bollocks. EBTTRT is just as, if not more, popular than Mysterious Ways. It's an extremely well known song.
Not in America. If you were to look at the straight chart statistics, MW completely owns EBTTRT here.

MW
US: 9

EBTTRT
US: 32

This also doesn't take into account all of the extra play MW has gotten after it dropped off the charts.

In the UK, they're almost equal:

MW
UK: 13

EBTTRT
UK: 12

But I'd be willing to bet that MW has gotten far more airplay than EBTTRT since 1992.
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Well, my mate was absolutely glowing 'bout Sydney and couldn't believe how strong the songs / set list was.
That Sydney DVD alone has sold 3 people I know on U2 completely. All three I'd previously subjected to Elevation/Slane/Vertigo DVD's - did nothing for them. Out comes ZooTV to mass groans. Sold. Literally. 6 tickets to the 3rd Sydney Vertigo gig within the week.
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it's just a compilation

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Aside from the fact that sarcasm is totally lost in this forum, I'd like to ask you guys a serious question. Why did they only choose 2 singles from the 90s (3 if you count Sweetest Thing) when there was so much to choose from?... The Fly, Mysterious Ways, One, Even Better Than The Real Thing, Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses, Stay(faraway, so close!), Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me, Miss Sarajevo, Discotheque, Staring At The Sun, Last Night On Earth, Please, If God Will Send His Angels & Mofo. They picked 4 songs from a single album (ATYCLB) and only half the number of songs from a whole decade??? If that doesn't show an anti-90s stance I don't know what does. No need for any long winded proofs or 'evidence'.
I have a different question: is there, seriously, any chance a 16 single tracklist (+ Saints and WITS) would make the ultra 90's fans happy?

They should have gone with a U2:30 double (live?) CD to mark the 30th anniversary of their first session together.

I was surprised they chose 4 ATYCLB songs; I understand this is for the "I got on board with ATYCLB and Bomb and want to know more" fans, so - why 4 songs off a relatively fresh album? I think 2 songs would suffice (especially since JT got 3, and AB got 2 songs).

The second thing for me was despite the "ultimate collection" hype and sticker on the CD, 4 albums didn't get a single song. So how is this an essential collection?

I would change S. Thing and 2 ATYCLB songs (Elevation and Walk on) for I will follow, Discotheque and HMTMKMKM.

I can understand October getting shunned (still think Gloria was ripped off for not making the 80's Best of instead of October though), and Zooropa, but I think their first popular song I will follow should be there, as should the top 10 song in US Discotheque.
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Discotheque did very well in the US. In the billboard hot 100 it goes:

1. With Or Without You (3 weeks)
1. I Still Haven't Found What Im Looking for (2 weeks)
3. Desire
9. Mysterious Ways
10. Discotheque
13. Where The Streets have No Name
14. Angel Of Harlem
16. Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me
21. Beautiful Day
26. Staring At The Sun
32. Even Better Than The Real Thing
33. Pride
34 (or was it 36). Vertigo
35. Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
44. In God's Country
50. All I Want Is You (1994 - Reality Bites soundtrack)
52. Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of
53. New Years Day
56 (I think). The Saints Are Coming
57. Last Night On Earth
61. The Fly
61. Numb
61. Stay
63. The Sweetest Thing
68. When Love Comes To Town
71. Lemon
77. Electrical Storm
81. I Will Follow (1984, Under A Blood Red Sky Live Single)
83. All I Want Is You (1989)
99. Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own

Corrections:

31. Vertigo
65. The Saints Are Coming
97. SYCMIOYO
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