elevated_u2_fan
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ntalwar said:
Who's in the U2.com team, and where did they return to?
hold on, hold on...
U2.com has a team???
What pre-tell does this crack squad of proffessionals do exactly?
I think this quote is a big clue as to why they are in Morocco...
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hold on, hold on...
U2.com has a team???
What pre-tell does this crack squad of proffessionals do exactly?
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elevated_u2_fan said:
elevated_u2_fan
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nice
JCOSTER
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greety said:
Yup, I know. But maybe that why they have isolated themselves in Morocco.
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LemonMelon said:October '08 then.
I really, truly believe the new record will be fantastic. Then again, I've liked both records they put out in the noughties along with last summer's beach clips.
My thoughts too!
silvrlvr
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The team? Why it's Ron Burgundy, Virginia Corningstone, Brian Fantana and Brick Tamland. They have snappy blazers in red polyester with the Vertigo emblem stitched on the breast pocket.
Remember: if Ron Burgundy says it -- or if U2.com says it -- it's the truth!
Remember: if Ron Burgundy says it -- or if U2.com says it -- it's the truth!
Matthew_Page2000
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Am I crazy or does it sound like Eno and Lanois will be
getting song writing credits this time? There's no talk
of them "working the boards" or "producing" or any other
euphamism for production or engineering work.
Just "songwriting".
Interesting.
getting song writing credits this time? There's no talk
of them "working the boards" or "producing" or any other
euphamism for production or engineering work.
Just "songwriting".
Interesting.
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phillyfan26 said:
by the way, in case anyone else wondered what a "riad" is, I looked it up and found out it's a North African term for a walled garden.
rihannsu
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Matthew_Page2000 said:
Paul McGuiness said that the reason Eno didn't get songwriting credit in addition to production credit is that they had always collaborated as well as produced and that was accounted for in the points they got as producers. Giving them songwriting credit in addition to that would have had them making more money than the band and he would never allow that. So maybe since Rubin doesn't want to work until they have songs they decided to work with Eno and Lanios giving them songwriting credit and then Rubin will get Production credit. That would kind of make sense. I think also that by not thinking in terms of an album yet and just concetrating on the songwriting would help to keep them from falling into old patterns of working as well as not steering the songs into any specific direction. All in all it could prove very interesting.
Dana
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I read that quote and was more confused then before I read it 
LemonMelon said:
As well as the singer not seeing himself singing this song for the next 2 years.
I think this might be the closest we'll get to a political album - the location, the fresh G-8 summit impressions, the impressions from the N. Orleans/Katrina work.
If for nothing else just to piss of those who don't want it.
LyricalDrug
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You can tell when new U2 songs are going to be good, because Bono starts making all kinds of weird statements about the music. Gotta love it.
socceroo
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Page & Plant from Led Zeppelin went Moroccan for Unledded & it worked very well, as it did for Jeff Martin from The Tea Party. 'Could be a good idea.
There are strong links and similiarities in many folk musics - a direct link between Morocco and Ireland seems a little unlikley (though not impossible due to sea trading routes).financeguy said:
Certainly Irish drums(bodrhans) have comparrisons with those of northern africa and there are therories that it came to Ireland via Spain and trade routes. Its impossible to say for certain.
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financeguy said:
well, that depends..................
I feel Irish culture the modest amount i know of.........has an....exuberence......that's closer to Southern European {I'm halfGreek/American}...than the more buttoned down cultures of England/Germany/the Scandinavian coutries..........
......and Greek culture in music has ties to the Middle East and that has the ties right into Africa..........
For me as a part Greek/America I've always felt an ...."emotional tone" connection with African Americans {except those pulled into WASPiness} than I ever did to WASPS {in general...always excpetions
}. shart1780
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I think it would be cool if U2's next album was heavily influenced by world music. Kind of like Paul Simon's Graceland or Peter Gabriel's later music.
The Sad Punk
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Surprised I only just read this.
Complete garbage, to say the least. Now, I can understand an influence from Moroccan culture, but to deny there's any relationship with neighbouring cultures of Ireland... saying that sort of shit, it's no wonder people still can't tolerate him.
^It is not complete garbage, it is a small possibility, but still a possibilty. We're a Celtic culture, but not a celtic people. Closest relatives are the Basque in Spain, who were believed to be the indigenous people of Europe before immigrations of people that were known as the Celts (very loose racial identity, were really made up of a number of quite different peoples)...anyway the people then in Spain migrated North when the last ice age was ending (7500 years ago roughly) and ended up stuck in the British Isles. They likely spoke an early form of Basque as well, but subsequent immigrations a few thousand years later of what were known as Celts, their culture took over but the people remained largely South European in origin. Only something like 5% of our genetic makeup here can be attributed to the Celts.
A genetic marker named Eshu(sp might be wrong) can be found in coastal regions of the British Isles, and is believed to have originated in Africa. It might be unlikely that a southern european element may have remained in our culture, but it is not impossible. There is also plenty of science to back up what I just said and it is all quite readily available on the net.
A genetic marker named Eshu(sp might be wrong) can be found in coastal regions of the British Isles, and is believed to have originated in Africa. It might be unlikely that a southern european element may have remained in our culture, but it is not impossible. There is also plenty of science to back up what I just said and it is all quite readily available on the net.
The Sad Punk
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Thanks for the information, but I still don't completely agree with his comment.
But I'm interested in reading more about this.
But I'm interested in reading more about this.
Varitek
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I have to ask, because while I haven't read every page of the "OMFG MOrocco 2007 no 2008 morocco!!!1!11" threads, I don't think this has been discussed:
We are talking about how their work might be influenced by Moroccan music, but pray tell, what does Moroccan music sound like? (aside from possibly being linked to Celtic blah-dy-blah) What is a Moroccan influence, musically? (Cullinarily I can say a Moroccan influence = delicious.) Anyone have some Moroccan tracks they want to share?
We are talking about how their work might be influenced by Moroccan music, but pray tell, what does Moroccan music sound like? (aside from possibly being linked to Celtic blah-dy-blah) What is a Moroccan influence, musically? (Cullinarily I can say a Moroccan influence = delicious.) Anyone have some Moroccan tracks they want to share?
Chill Mike D
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Turns out this whole Irish/North African thing Bono is on about right now isn't the first time he's mentioned this:
Near the bottom of the interview, which is from 1998
Near the bottom of the interview, which is from 1998
Varitek
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Does Edge mean love as in "I like that line of logic" or love as in "there he goes again on a crazy nonsensical tangent, but maybe we'll get some decent lyrics out of it and at least it's amusing"?
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I strongly suspect the latter...
Here's a Moroccan music source I like, Radio Casablanca (click 'Sound Bank')--you'll probably find it helpful to scan Wikipedia's Moroccan music overview first, so that you have some idea what the genre labels mean (note some of the spellings on the radio site are slightly different, also that 'Amazigh'=Berber, i.e. indigenous, non-Arab Moroccans). I don't know enough ethnomusicology lingo to characterize it very well, though I don't personally hear much similarity to Irish music in it.
The 'Celts and Copts' thing with reference to Morocco sounds to me like total nonsense (though it's a catchy phrase). 'Coptic' refers to the last stage of pre-Islamic/pre-Arabization (7th cen. AD) Egyptian culture, the language of which lives on in the Coptic (Egyptian) Christian Church liturgy. There were some adherents of the Coptic Church in North Africa, including Morocco, before Islamicization; however, Berber culture in general wasn't strongly influenced by Egypt (though it was by successive European invaders and colonizers like the Romans, Vandals, Visigoths and Byzantine Greeks). In ancient times--around 1000 BC--Berbers did rule Egypt for a couple centuries, though obviously that has little to do with the 'Coptic' cultural phase which began roughly 1200 years later.
LJT seems to be referring to the geneticist Bryan Sykes' research, which I think(?) more or less argues that the peoples who over time 'Celticized' the British Isles and constitute its predominant population base today--'Celtiberians' or whatever you want to call them--were themselves mostly just 'Celticized' descendants of pre-Indo-European peoples like the Basques. (Their descendants constitute a majority in Belgium, France, and significant portions of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Italy, and Germany as well; in fact, it's the most common 'haplogroup' in western Europe.) But the 'Eshu' marker was one he found only in small, scattered populations in Britain (not sure he found it at all in Ireland?); it is true, though, that it's closely related to one found in large numbers among the Berbers, and it's also found in moderate numbers in parts of southern Spain and Portugal--unsurprising since the latter areas were occupied by the Moors (many of whom were ethnic Berbers) from the early 8th-late 15th cen. AD.
Seems like a pretty flimsy basis, though, for a case for some uniquely Irish connection to North Africans or Arabs or whatever exactly it is Bono's arguing...a more reasonable point would be that all those tidy 19th-century divisions of Europe into various 'Indo-European' ethnicities based on linguistic evidence has been heavily problematized by contemporary genetic research, period. Of course much the same is true of North Africa and the Middle East, those are also very heterogenous populations; nonetheless, if there's any significant research supporting a notable and distinct Irish connection specifically to those regions, I've never heard of it.
Here's a Moroccan music source I like, Radio Casablanca (click 'Sound Bank')--you'll probably find it helpful to scan Wikipedia's Moroccan music overview first, so that you have some idea what the genre labels mean (note some of the spellings on the radio site are slightly different, also that 'Amazigh'=Berber, i.e. indigenous, non-Arab Moroccans). I don't know enough ethnomusicology lingo to characterize it very well, though I don't personally hear much similarity to Irish music in it.
The 'Celts and Copts' thing with reference to Morocco sounds to me like total nonsense (though it's a catchy phrase). 'Coptic' refers to the last stage of pre-Islamic/pre-Arabization (7th cen. AD) Egyptian culture, the language of which lives on in the Coptic (Egyptian) Christian Church liturgy. There were some adherents of the Coptic Church in North Africa, including Morocco, before Islamicization; however, Berber culture in general wasn't strongly influenced by Egypt (though it was by successive European invaders and colonizers like the Romans, Vandals, Visigoths and Byzantine Greeks). In ancient times--around 1000 BC--Berbers did rule Egypt for a couple centuries, though obviously that has little to do with the 'Coptic' cultural phase which began roughly 1200 years later.
LJT seems to be referring to the geneticist Bryan Sykes' research, which I think(?) more or less argues that the peoples who over time 'Celticized' the British Isles and constitute its predominant population base today--'Celtiberians' or whatever you want to call them--were themselves mostly just 'Celticized' descendants of pre-Indo-European peoples like the Basques. (Their descendants constitute a majority in Belgium, France, and significant portions of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Italy, and Germany as well; in fact, it's the most common 'haplogroup' in western Europe.) But the 'Eshu' marker was one he found only in small, scattered populations in Britain (not sure he found it at all in Ireland?); it is true, though, that it's closely related to one found in large numbers among the Berbers, and it's also found in moderate numbers in parts of southern Spain and Portugal--unsurprising since the latter areas were occupied by the Moors (many of whom were ethnic Berbers) from the early 8th-late 15th cen. AD.
Seems like a pretty flimsy basis, though, for a case for some uniquely Irish connection to North Africans or Arabs or whatever exactly it is Bono's arguing...a more reasonable point would be that all those tidy 19th-century divisions of Europe into various 'Indo-European' ethnicities based on linguistic evidence has been heavily problematized by contemporary genetic research, period. Of course much the same is true of North Africa and the Middle East, those are also very heterogenous populations; nonetheless, if there's any significant research supporting a notable and distinct Irish connection specifically to those regions, I've never heard of it.
^There isn't any, I did think the Eshu marker was found on the Southeast/west coast of Ireland though, I can't source that though, but it is a bit of fun to romanticise...most people in Ireland don't even know they are genetically much the same as the English, might cause people to overthrow the scientific establishment
Also love the theories that Ireland may be Atlantis.
Also love the theories that Ireland may be Atlantis.
The_Pac_Mule
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"It’s the first time we’ve worked with Brian and Dan in a purely songwriting capacity so it’s very different, quite experimental and kind of liberating because of that…"
Yup, sounds like Larry can't stand Morocco sessions.
Yup, sounds like Larry can't stand Morocco sessions.
