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Old 01-16-2009, 09:12 PM   #31
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But the question is, would Captain Adama and the Battlestar Galactica crew approve of Brian Eno's comments?
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:14 PM   #32
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Hmmmm......

you actually are kind of sounding like the type of person that you are berating.
i know i am re-reading the thread and i am going to blame it on stella artois!! you just get tired of people jumping on this band without hearing a single verse. i take back calling people a cunt for now..ha
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:37 PM   #33
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i know i am re-reading the thread and i am going to blame it on stella artois!! you just get tired of people jumping on this band without hearing a single verse. i take back calling people a cunt for now..ha
fair enough....no worries.

Drinking and Blue Crack don't mix....trust me, I've written some stupid ass shit on here after too many Martinis
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:25 AM   #34
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If anyone has the second page's picture in a bigger size I would be most grateful. (It would make a kickass desktop and set me up perfectly for the album's release).
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Old 01-17-2009, 01:51 AM   #35
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I just found the piece here:
Scatter o' Light: u2 in rolling stone (scans)

So never mind my half-remembered summary below:

It was only 2 pages -- half of it pictures -- but there's some worrisome news. The writer said that Brian Eno was upset/disappointed with the band scrapped some of the more experimental (I can't remember the exact words) songs which they'd written on the new album. Eno jokingly said, "Tell them they're a bunch of cunts." The article said that "Winter", which it described as beautiful or something, would not be on the album.


I think it's worrisome that the band wasn't going for all the interesting stuff that Eno said was great. Then again, that's what makes it U2 and perhaps the band felt the songs weren't not just good enough in a commercial sense, but in an artistic one. I hope they release these songs later or do whatever is needed to make them better, not just more accessible. At the same time, Eno's hardly commercially-deaf. The article quoted him as saying that the sessions involved starting from scratch with simple melodies, which they made more complex and then stripped back again later. The article also mentioned that the songs that didn't emerge from full-band sessions with Eno and Lanois came from demos from The Edge's garage -- or maybe it was a music writing program with the word "garage" in it.
Winter = White as Snow?

who knows, but it might have made the final cut now seeing as we know the tracklist now
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:15 PM   #36
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Whoa! I never knew that 1) U2 had to even listen to the record company after Joshua Tree and that 2) there were other songs left over from the Pop sessions. Is there more unreleased stuff then?

I also agree with the latter part of what you're saying -- that the album could still be amazing and might have even been changed after early December. For all we know, maybe the other songs were like most of "Passengers". Eno didn't exactly say "experimental". I tried to memorize the 2 words -- more like "stretching out" or "unusual".
Well I Think it was just suggested to the band to kind of include all kinds of styles on POP instead of just Dance/Electronica influences.There was some unreleased songs from the POP sessions but I think a good number of them are released now and U2 does tend to change their song titles around often.
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:48 PM   #37
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I just found the piece here:
Scatter o' Light: u2 in rolling stone (scans)

So never mind my half-remembered summary below:

It was only 2 pages -- half of it pictures -- but there's some worrisome news. The writer said that Brian Eno was upset/disappointed with the band scrapped some of the more experimental (I can't remember the exact words) songs which they'd written on the new album. Eno jokingly said, "Tell them they're a bunch of cunts." The article said that "Winter", which it described as beautiful or something, would not be on the album.


I think it's worrisome that the band wasn't going for all the interesting stuff that Eno said was great. Then again, that's what makes it U2 and perhaps the band felt the songs weren't not just good enough in a commercial sense, but in an artistic one. I hope they release these songs later or do whatever is needed to make them better, not just more accessible. At the same time, Eno's hardly commercially-deaf. The article quoted him as saying that the sessions involved starting from scratch with simple melodies, which they made more complex and then stripped back again later. The article also mentioned that the songs that didn't emerge from full-band sessions with Eno and Lanois came from demos from The Edge's garage -- or maybe it was a music writing program with the word "garage" in it.
Eno is bound to get shitty, and I think 99% of the population would rather them cut some of the weirder Eno songs, keep the good U2 songs and prevent it from becoming Passengers 2, and more like a heavily Eno-inspired U2 disc
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:53 PM   #38
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I thought that it came out that 'White As Snow' was 'Winter'.
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:57 PM   #39
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Why are we bumping this thread??
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:30 AM   #40
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I just found the piece here:
Scatter o' Light: u2 in rolling stone (scans)

So never mind my half-remembered summary below:

It was only 2 pages -- half of it pictures -- but there's some worrisome news. The writer said that Brian Eno was upset/disappointed with the band scrapped some of the more experimental (I can't remember the exact words) songs which they'd written on the new album. Eno jokingly said, "Tell them they're a bunch of cunts." The article said that "Winter", which it described as beautiful or something, would not be on the album.


I think it's worrisome that the band wasn't going for all the interesting stuff that Eno said was great. Then again, that's what makes it U2 and perhaps the band felt the songs weren't not just good enough in a commercial sense, but in an artistic one. I hope they release these songs later or do whatever is needed to make them better, not just more accessible. At the same time, Eno's hardly commercially-deaf. The article quoted him as saying that the sessions involved starting from scratch with simple melodies, which they made more complex and then stripped back again later. The article also mentioned that the songs that didn't emerge from full-band sessions with Eno and Lanois came from demos from The Edge's garage -- or maybe it was a music writing program with the word "garage" in it.
Eno isn't God by the way.

U2 are a band and each member's input matters, they have their collaborators too and snippets of each of these "external" inputs blends into U2's work, as it always has done.
What Eno says isn't gospel. He's tried to mess up previous songs like Where The Streets Have No Name and One.

Of course he is an amazing talent and having his more of his influence on this album is good news. But he's not Be All And End All - I'm sure U2 have been in the game long enough to be able to go with their own intuition on songs sometimes.
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Old 02-05-2009, 03:22 AM   #41
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Let's sum it up

1 - Winter=White as Snow, for sure, as both titles were described in about every fucking interview as a stripped down acoustic ballad about a soldier in the desert going through his recollections. at most, its playtime was probably shortened from 6:00 to 4:40 or something.

2 - Fez - Being Born aka Tripoli, is regarded by most reviews (except for one that called it "U2 by the numbers") as the most experimental piece on the album. So some ambiguos sound laboratory ambience shit did survive. (don't get me wrong I love that shit)

3 - perhaps 2 or 3 other tracks, not appearing on the album will be included in Linear, Corbijn's film accompanying the album. so we might see more of the experimental stuff popping up herer and there.

4 - Eno is just a senior angel, but not G almighty himself.

5 - for a moment there, in late 2008, u2 were a bunch of stupid cunts, hopefully that has been corrected by now, ever since RS has left the building and all is well.

6 - the Atlantic creates quite a gap in the way the word cunt is used and perceived in the UK and the US, that's at least according to Franz Ferdinand's Alex Kapranos in a recent interview, pointing to the fact that in the US it's perceived as a harsh sexist derogatory term while in the UK it's milder and more of a general critical reference.
I guess Eno used it in the British sense, but then again RS in an american magazine so, who knows?

7 - Who cares anyway?
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Old 02-05-2009, 03:54 AM   #42
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I don't think it's confirmed that Fez-Being Born is Tripoli is it? I believe that's just speculation...
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:33 AM   #43
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That said, I honestly didn't know about the other thread. I looked around for a few seconds and hadn't seen in previous days, but I'm not too good when it comes to looking for things; my eyes often miss them.
Looks like your mom was right.

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Top 5 U2 song.
Yeah, I was implying that Passengers kinda sucked BESIDES those 3 tracks, including Your Blue Room.
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:26 AM   #45
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Eno is bound to get shitty, and I think 99% of the population would rather them cut some of the weirder Eno songs, keep the good U2 songs and prevent it from becoming Passengers 2, and more like a heavily Eno-inspired U2 disc
Yeah, I hope that was the case and that it wasn't U2 trying to just be more mainstream, as it seems to be doing with GOYB. I was just saying there's reason to worry -- not a sure thing that it will be bad or excluding a great song.

I hope the song comes out, though, just like with the Eno-preferred slow-building version of the title track.
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