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Old 11-02-2017, 08:01 AM   #151
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My apologies for being so negative as I'm in a lousy mood and sleep deprived...but is this really what all their "experience" has taught them? To write slogan lyrics over AC tripe and pander to the youth in a desperate attempt for radio hits?

I mean, there's no way this album is going to be better than Boy, for example...and I can't escape the unfortunate irony.

JT was the first time since I became a fan that I skipped a tour...and I never thought I'd consider skipping two tours in a row. There better be a few damn good songs on this album or we're in for a blast of blatant mediocrity at best.

I know this is slightly preemptive but a sad picture is starting to emerge.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:02 AM   #152
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You don’t like the new songs, I get it but as someone who went out and bought Zooropa on July 5th, 1993 at CD City I’m calling shenanigans on you putting Stay on that list.

Today, Stay is a decent song that the music video and 20+ years of live performances have made a good/great song. I agree with you that it’s a great U2 song but on July 5th, 1993 the day it was released (like these songs) it was a song that referenced 7-11 and checking change and to say on that day U2 fans would put it on a list with Streets and Bad is you taking a piss (as an American I’ve never used that phrase, hope I used it right).

Be honest, if Stay were released yesterday people would be making “check your change” jokes instead of Refujesus jokes and Javiero would be shitting his pants asking why the band that wrote Sunday Bloody Sunday is talking about 7-11.
speculating about how people would have reacted to old, great stuff that has stood the test of time as a way of minimizing criticism of current work is foolish. the lyrics for Stay are and always were great.
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I like the chorus but don't care for much else about the song. In fact, I think the rest of the song detracts from what could've been a BD-level, anthemic chorus. Instead it just blends into the greyness of pop compression and awkward lyrical melodies. The "rap" may work for the album transition from GOOYOW to AS, but how inexplicably irritating that it was left in for this single release. Ughhhhh
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:13 AM   #154
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At this point, I need ANYTHING other than AC tripe.

Reggae infused, straight up punk, full on electronic, ambient, Passengers 2, T Bone Burnett produced folk music, celtic tinged, ANYTHING else!

Fuck the radio.
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You don’t like the new songs, I get it but as someone who went out and bought Zooropa on July 5th, 1993 at CD City I’m calling shenanigans on you putting Stay on that list.

Today, Stay is a decent song that the music video and 20+ years of live performances have made a good/great song. I agree with you that it’s a great U2 song but on July 5th, 1993 the day it was released (like these songs) it was a song that referenced 7-11 and checking change and to say on that day U2 fans would put it on a list with Streets and Bad is you taking a piss (as an American I’ve never used that phrase, hope I used it right).

Be honest, if Stay were released yesterday people would be making “check your change” jokes instead of Refujesus jokes and Javiero would be shitting his pants asking why the band that wrote Sunday Bloody Sunday is talking about 7-11.
While Stay isn't particularly a favourite of mine, there's nothing embarrassing about it. For me, the "embarrassing bono lyrics phase" started with "Uno, dos, tres, catorce", and then was largely prominent in NLOTH. SOI I didn't notice much, they seemed to have cooled off there, but it's back for SOE for sure. They are trying way too hard to be controversial or political and it comes across as ridiculous instead.

Note - Miami did silly lyrics too, but that's Miami.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:26 AM   #156
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At this point, I need ANYTHING other than AC tripe.

Reggae infused, straight up punk, full on electronic, ambient, Passengers 2, T Bone Burnett produced folk music, celtic tinged, ANYTHING else!

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Old 11-02-2017, 08:26 AM   #157
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speculating about how people would have reacted to old, great stuff that has stood the test of time as a way of minimizing criticism of current work is foolish. the lyrics for Stay are and always were great.


No, Cosmo’s point is spot on. If Zooropa was released today it would be picked apart.

Some would bitch about the shoehorned ‘throw a rock in the air’ line and the production of Dirty Day.

Some would find Numb and Some Days embarrassing.

Others would find the satellite television line in Stay was cringe worthy.

Or bitch about not enough guitar and why a washed up has been was singing the closing song.

These were all real complaints in the day, they would have been magnified with the internet.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:29 AM   #158
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Ah shit.

About 30 minutes ago I put on my Boses and decided to put this song on repeat.

5 plays later... I really like it. I really do. Yeah it's poppy TayTay Tedder-esque etc.

But I like it.
Same here. Once I blasted it a few times on my headphones the beauty of the song really started to shine through. It has absolutely improved for me upon multiple listens. Some of the lyrics annoy me, but I have had that issue Bono since the 80s.

Most of the people bashing the song and calling it "garbage" have listened to it once and rushed to judgment, because their default position is to criticize anything current by U2. Same old story, same narrow-minded people.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:29 AM   #159
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I like the chorus but don't care for much else about the song. In fact, I think the rest of the song detracts from what could've been a BD-level, anthemic chorus. Instead it just blends into the greyness of pop compression and awkward lyrical melodies. The "rap" may work for the album transition from GOOYOW to AS, but how inexplicably irritating that it was left in for this single release. Ughhhhh
To be fair - IS this the single version??? I know that it is "the new single" but there is no separate official single track like the Best Thing has to purchase. It's just there to get off the album or when you pre-order.

So the end with Kendrick may be completely gone from the version going to radio, or at least fade out/end in a normal way and not just get chopped off.


As for the song itself, I'm flipping back and forth a bit. There are parts that I like better than TBT, and a couple bits that I i like less. Overall, I still put it above TBT slightly, and behind The Blackout.

What bothers me is that the one line of getting smacked in the face just throws me off right in the middle of the song. Beyond that, it would have been a strong ATYCLB track, and that makes it a good, above average track for me now. I'd put it over 3 or 4 of the weakest tracks on SOI...

That said, that keeps leaving me feeling like the album as a whole may fall short of SOI for me. SOI had EBW, SLABT, and The troubles, 3 songs i would put in my top 25 U2 songs. Then a few more really good tunes beyond those like RBW, Iris, California and yes, i really like Volcano.

So far, I have 2 songs - TBT and Get Out that are sort of bottom/middle level area SOI material. Wouldn't skip them, wouldn't rush to listen to just them.

Then we have the Blackout, which i would put up there with very top level of SOI material.

And we have American Soul, which i would put somewhere in the middle, just where i would put Volcano.

Little Things I really like and hope the studio version is a step up and really grabs me.

Lots of songs i still can't wait to hear. I usually like the non single tracks best, so I have good hope that this album can get there.
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No, Cosmo’s point is spot on. If Zooropa was released today it would be picked apart.

Some would bitch about the shoehorned ‘throw a rock in the air’ line and the production of Dirty Day.

Some would find Numb and Some Days embarrassing.

Others would find the satellite television line in Stay was cringe worthy.

Or bitch about not enough guitar and why a washed up has been was singing the closing song.

These were all real complaints in the day, they would have been magnified with the internet.
To me, Zooropa is one of their worst albums anyway. It was way too weird for my taste. Some Days was good though, don't get people's hate with that one.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:31 AM   #161
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No Check your change is really not the 1993 version of Refujeezuz...

This song is mostly Beautiful Day's verses with some subtle Neu! influences.

Mostly.
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Not at all. I was never a fan of mediocre AC but always a sucker for a great pop song. I just don't think their approach is the right one. In fact, it's tired as hell. They made it work for them the best they could on SOI. From what we've heard so far, I think SOE is going to be at least two levels below that and it's this darn radio mindest they're stuck in.
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to me, zooropa is one of their worst albums anyway. It was way too weird for my taste. Some days was good though, don't get people's hate with that one.
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Zooropa is a masterpiece.
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To me, Zooropa is one of their worst albums anyway. It was way too weird for my taste. Some Days was good though, don't get people's hate with that one.


You complain over and over and over about Bono using a Gaelic thing and saying ‘a boy’, but you can’t understand some folks not liking ‘can’t stand the sight of a puppy’ or ‘your skin is white but you think you’re a brother’? Really?!
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No, Cosmo’s point is spot on. If Zooropa was released today it would be picked apart.

Some would bitch about the shoehorned ‘throw a rock in the air’ line and the production of Dirty Day.

Some would find Numb and Some Days embarrassing.

Others would find the satellite television line in Stay was cringe worthy.

Or bitch about not enough guitar and why a washed up has been was singing the closing song.

These were all real complaints in the day, they would have been magnified with the internet.

you're totally misinterpreting what he said to suit your own opinion

can you not understand the difference between "people complained about things" and "people would have complained about things"
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