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Old 03-08-2014, 09:35 PM   #196
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Have we not learned from the past not to judge these things right away?
yeah exactly! 10 years from now we'll all agree that the 2015 Album delay was U2's greatest controversy.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:34 PM   #197
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just wanted to bump this one as it is a great perspective on the diversity of "reviews" and opinions dating back to Achtung Baby in 1991...
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:38 PM   #198
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Loved this quote from 1991 by the way :-)

"The problem with 'The Fly' is that it sounds like what INXS has been
doing for a while now. In fact, I thought it was INXS when I first
heard it. And I didn't hear any trademark Edge guitar either. I don't
mind them following NEW directions, but this doesn't seem new to me.
What would have been new after WAR was to beef up the atmosphere a bit
with some drone keyboards, but keep the delayed/echoing guitars, the
upfront drums, and the tight bass. Instead, they lightened up on all
three, and made the smooth transition from alternative rock to pop. I
blame this somewhat on the change of producers from Steve Lillywhite
[a genius] to Eno and Lanois [see Peter Gabriel's SO]. And in keeping
with that tradition, they also turned into celebrities, not musicians."
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:50 PM   #199
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Wow. Thank you so much. This was the exact point I was going on about a few days ago. Everyone blames the band for THEM losing interest. But the band will do what it does. The listener is the one that either evolves or doesn’t.

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If 'The Fly' is any indication of the rest of 'Achtung, Baby' and
U2's musical direction, I think we can fashion 4 caskets, and label
them: Bono, Edge, Adam, and Larry. U2 is dead. What an unimaginative
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:53 PM   #200
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Wow. Thank you so much. This was the exact point I was going on about a few days ago. Everyone blames the band for THEM losing interest. But the band will do what it does. The listener is the one that either evolves or doesn’t.

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If 'The Fly' is any indication of the rest of 'Achtung, Baby' and
U2's musical direction, I think we can fashion 4 caskets, and label
them: Bono, Edge, Adam, and Larry. U2 is dead. What an unimaginative
piece of garbage.
Haha, that was great yes..

I was 15 when The Fly came out and I remember opinions varied, to put it mildly.. Loved it myself but I was wondering where the soaring vocals had gone.

BTW, the original thread from 1991 is still online: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...sc/yGTF7NlNLlI
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If 'The Fly' is any indication of the rest of 'Achtung, Baby' and
U2's musical direction, I think we can fashion 4 caskets, and label
them: Bono, Edge, Adam, and Larry. U2 is dead. What an unimaginative
piece of garbage.

Hahahahaha

It’s as if the quotes never change during every album review. Let me guess how many were saying “U2 should have quite after Joshua Tree”.....so funny.

I read these same comments from reviewers and average people all the time about SOE....just goes to show, it’s all about what YOU as the listener think.

I think I️m excited for what’s coming!!!!!
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Sorry I couldn’t resist posting this one
Remember this is about The Fly:

I don't find The Edge's guitar at all interesting on this track, but hey, he doesn't have to be the star of EVERY track these guys put out.

hilarious
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just wanted to bump this one as it is a great perspective on the diversity of "reviews" and opinions dating back to Achtung Baby in 1991...


Is the point here that because AB received some criticism, then maybe criticism of the new songs isn’t warranted and a song like AS will become a U2 classic in time? If that’s the case, then this is pure desperation and denial. If that’s not the case, then I agree these comments are interesting. Also, this sentiment about blaming the fans for U2 aging out, running out of ideas, losing interest, and grasping for relevancy is insulting.
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Wow. Thank you so much. This was the exact point I was going on about a few days ago. Everyone blames the band for THEM losing interest. But the band will do what it does. The listener is the one that either evolves or doesn’t.

The best:
If 'The Fly' is any indication of the rest of 'Achtung, Baby' and
U2's musical direction, I think we can fashion 4 caskets, and label
them: Bono, Edge, Adam, and Larry. U2 is dead. What an unimaginative
piece of garbage.
This also proves the point I was trying to make to one of our new members, that music requires time to give a proper review and to know if the music is good or not. And what we got was a food comparison lol. How much do you want to bet that many of these negative posters think AB and the fly are epic now.
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Old 11-24-2017, 06:26 PM   #205
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Is the point here that because AB received some criticism, then maybe criticism of the new songs isn’t warranted and a song like AS will become a U2 classic in time? If that’s the case, then this is pure desperation and denial. If that’s not the case, then I agree these comments are interesting. Also, this sentiment about blaming the fans for U2 aging out, running out of ideas, losing interest, and grasping for relevancy is insulting.
There is not really a point, just a bit of perspective.. I don't have any opinion or criticism of the yet to be released SOE. Criticism is always warranted, and apparently, always has been :-)
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Is the point here that because AB received some criticism, then maybe criticism of the new songs isn’t warranted and a song like AS will become a U2 classic in time? If that’s the case, then this is pure desperation and denial. If that’s not the case, then I agree these comments are interesting. Also, this sentiment about blaming the fans for U2 aging out, running out of ideas, losing interest, and grasping for relevancy is insulting.


Talk about a leap of “logic”...
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Remember this is about The Fly:

I don't find The Edge's guitar at all interesting on this track, but hey, he doesn't have to be the star of EVERY track these guys put out.

hilarious
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:23 PM   #208
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I remember some of the reaction to The Fly, since that was also my reaction at the time. In addition, I had that reaction to WOWY when it first came out.
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I wasn’t over the moon with album Fly. Didn’t like the mix. Wanted more Edge. And Bono coasted along on cruise control.

....aaaand then they played it live.

And continued to take it up a notch live with each successive tour, the peaks being Vertigo (stadium especially) and 360.
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Loved this quote from 1991 by the way :-)

"The problem with 'The Fly' is that it sounds like what INXS has been
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heard it. And I didn't hear any trademark Edge guitar either. I don't
mind them following NEW directions, but this doesn't seem new to me.
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with that tradition, they also turned into celebrities, not musicians."
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