mikal
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Um no. I wasn't even talking about sales, just that U2's vision behind revisiting the songs was probably based on the fact that it would be fun doing so, not anything more.
Did the new version of Red Hill Mining Town leak out yet?
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Um no. I wasn't even talking about sales, just that U2's vision behind revisiting the songs was probably based on the fact that it would be fun doing so, not anything more.
redhill
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Well, there's a difference between a thoughtful and generous release (one that offers new material and may appeal more to the long time fan) and one that doesn't seem to have been considered thoughtfully. Actually, there were eras where one could argue they were a lot more "shy" about being commercial but that's too long of a discussion to get into at the moment. I will say that, ironically, one of those periods was JT...remember Bono's quote about "oops...here we are in stadiums"? They presented it in more of a shy way which ultimately led to their embracing the stardom and exposure with Zoo TV.
I always appreciated their embracing commercialism to an extent but I have to wonder if there's a line for them at this point? If there's no line (no pun intended), then should there be? What is it? Streets being licensed to an exotic vacation travel company? Would fans even care about that at this point or would they defend that as well?
As far as this release goes, every individual has to decide if it's a big deal for them. I can't make that call and am just speaking for myself. I was initially excited when I saw the link for the offering and I can see the desire to have some of that material on vinyl. Beyond that, I'm struggling.
Anyway, this is too close to a re-hash of prior arguments and I'm not looking to get into an argument just for the sake of casting stones.
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chrissybaby
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It's going to leak soon if these are being sent out!
https://twitter.com/neil_mccormick/status/847417321412935681
https://twitter.com/neil_mccormick/status/847417321412935681
lazarus
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Well, you don't have to buy it to hear it.
There's a middle ground. And a conscience-clean one considering how much we've all spent on this band already.
Y2K
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Maybe with these alternative mixes, the band just wanted to go back and fix/change things:
-that they've always wanted to add/change but didn't have the time to. Remember, this is U2 we're talking about, they are a perfectionist band and talk all the time about how they only hear the flaws when they go back and listen to their albums
-that they wanted to add/change now that they have 30 years of distance/perspective from the original recordings
-to infuse the songs with a different flavor, similar to how live arrangements for songs can change from tour to tour
redhill
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I can see you on some of this. It would have sat a lot better if they had reached a little deeper for this release though...and others have already put forth some great ideas in that regard.
BVS
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This seems to be your goto when you can't logically answer a post. You attack their logic.
If you showed me somewhere where an alternate has ever tarnished an artist's legacy, or show me how this is suppose to compete with the original I'll listen. But don't attack just because you can't answer the questions.
mikal
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To your second point, exactly. As horrible as the new mix of discotheque was on their best stuff, I don't see where that even came close to tarnishing their legacy.
BVS
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Exactly. If any alternate mix was going to, it would have been those, since it may be the only version some casual fans might have.
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trevgreg
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That's just about every single musician or band that's ever recorded a song though. John Lennon had a quote or ten about thinking some of his Beatles recordings weren't very good and wanting to re-record them all if he ever had the chance. Musicians aren't really going to hear songs the same way us fans do. The only difference here is whether they actually go back and re-do things or, as you also said, do it for the sake of just doing something different.
So by this argument every album, with the exception of Songs of Innocence, has been a cash grab.So you want to pretend that it's not for sale and that it's a giveaway?
Well done. Your logic wins the day once again.
redhill
Refugee
You don't even know what you're talking about. As usual, you're just being combative without making any sense. You're taking my comment out of context which was a question about someone else's comment. I wasn't making that point whatsoever.
You don't seem to care about that though...just casting them stones.
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And keep fucking that chicken.
Hey, folks, at least redhill is good at self-parody.
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Well that escalated rather quickly.
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Harder ? Nowhere else on JT except maybe the ending of One tree hill does he strain his voice as much as RHMT.
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They did a plethora of far more complex songs live...why would RHMT be so tough to play ?
dan_smee
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So the link you provided proves my point - many of their songs hit higher notes.
You are assuming that complexity is relevant to the conversation of why they did or didn't play a song. It is merely one possible reason. There are many others, and seeing as though they ACTUALLY SAID it was too mid tempo to be a dynamic part of the set, in going with that one.
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elevated_u2_fan
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I think we need a new sub-forum where redhill just argues with random people
gvox
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This can't be a serious post, or you seriously don't understand music.
Show me which other song off Joshua Tree features a prominent 2nd guitar riff that Bono would have had to play all the way through the song.
And you might want to listen to the album again if you can't pick out the song where he strains his voice harder - for the entire song.
dan_smee
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She'll look for a while, but still not find what she is looking for...
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mikal
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Maybe she'll Exit.
TheGeekyU2Fan
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Everybody... please stop fighting.
Catman
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Why are people getting into such a tizzy* over which justification for RHMT not being played live is the more prominent reason than the other? What if it's a myriad of reasons--those of which that have been discussed as well as a few that we never knew about--that led to the song's lack of a live performance... ?? I don't mean to sound flippant about everyone's enthusiasm with the song (and I'm sure my lukewarm appreciation of the tune doesn't help teehee), buuuuttt... yeah, that's it lol; I think I've just about exhausted my consideration for this topic. But who cares, because we're all gonna be listening to a new mix of the song soon, and that's the closest thing we've gotten to new U2 in awhile, soooo peace out, motherfuckas
*does anyone else really like using the word, "tizzy"? It's fun to say, and kinda helps to ameliorate the intensity of similarly-ish words like "animosity" or "tumult" so as not to overtly acknowledge the high tension levels
*does anyone else really like using the word, "tizzy"? It's fun to say, and kinda helps to ameliorate the intensity of similarly-ish words like "animosity" or "tumult" so as not to overtly acknowledge the high tension levels
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