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Old 05-08-2005, 11:43 PM   #31
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I think its a matter of personality clash...to me...people like you look too far back. I happen to be on a similiar page to Bono regarding navel gazing...I often see it as representative of self interest...I'm more interested in progression. I still think religious world view plays a role in this. My friend who is a counselor and I often have it out regarding counseling..I feel that its often selfish...that the advice given by counselors is sometimes good for the person...but not the best choice for the people in the person's world. Navel gazing is fine...to recognize your faults and seek forgiveness..repentance...but after that...I often feel it goes to far....
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Old 05-09-2005, 12:22 AM   #32
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I dont disagree. Navel gazing can go too far, it can be a trap to fall into. But a little bit can be beneficial.

As for progression, how can one progress if that person is bogged? Sometimes a stop and reassess before continuing on may be required.

I agree about the chemical imbalance/drug correction and counselling issue.

I also believe society plays a role. I used to work for Oxfam and find that the average African (bland generalisation) are happier than the average Australian. The average village society appears more comforting, and more aware of a member stumbing, than the average suburban isolation bunker. (Not that I have travelled to Africa, just my noting from Africans here and observance)

Bono does not appear to comprehend my understanding of depression. (lol) There are people like he describes, people who enjoy wallowing in their own misery, and become "pickled" in themselves but I disagree that that is the case for the majority of depressed people.

Same with suicidial people. Yes, ultimately it is a selfish act but crap if you have been down there, really down, down, down there sometimes it can seem like the only way out is death . Bono is correct in the just hang on for a few more hours and it will pass scenario. I dont disagree with that. I also believe thats a shit load easier said than done. And the ones that don't make it back up aren't selfish, they just didn't make it back up. Some people don't. It's not a failure, nor is coming through it a reason to congratulate oneself either.
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Old 05-09-2005, 12:27 AM   #33
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Thanks for the reasoned response beli. I pretty much agree with what you posted here. I have to admit that my personal experience( regarding my father's depression) with counseling has soured me on it. It seemed to have a biased world view that I just couldn't agree with. My father was in counselng and undergoing medicinal treatment but all it seemed to do was make him dwell on his depressed state.....
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Old 05-09-2005, 01:26 AM   #34
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There are good and bad counsellors, just as there are good and bad members in every profession. I have experienced some inappropriate counsellors myself.

Sorry to hear your Dad had a dud counsellor. One of the most difficult things is to realise help is needed, reach out and ask for it, and then realise the person aiding is actually hindering. Sometimes life sucks, and then it sucks some more.
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Old 05-09-2005, 05:42 PM   #35
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There are good and bad counsellors, just as there are good and bad members in every profession. I have experienced some inappropriate counsellors myself.

Sorry to hear your Dad had a dud counsellor. One of the most difficult things is to realise help is needed, reach out and ask for it, and then realise the person aiding is actually hindering. Sometimes life sucks, and then it sucks some more.
Agreed...I've seen both sides in this area as well with people that have had counseling...If you get a good person and they mesh well with the person looking for guidance, it can be very helpful. The wrong combination can be really bad though.
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Old 05-10-2005, 06:36 AM   #36
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I don't know, I'm certainly no clinical expert about depression. Like others have said here, it's not all chemical imbalance.
I think maybe Bono still doesn't want to have to face certain things about his family and childhood, I don't think that's uncommon and I understand it. Also losing his Mom like that when he was so young must be a profound thing to have to make peace with. I haven't finished the book yet so I'm not sure about all of it, he does confuse me many times
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Yesterday I read the part where he talks about Adam whipping out his.. willie at every opportunity when they were young, and how he peed near Ali's leg

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Old 05-13-2005, 11:38 AM   #38
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Yesterday I read the part where he talks about Adam whipping out his.. willie at every opportunity when they were young, and how he peed near Ali's leg

Haven't got there yet and I'll be so excited when I do What a fabulous book.
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I don't know, I'm certainly no clinical expert about depression. Like others have said here, it's not all chemical imbalance.
I think maybe Bono still doesn't want to have to face certain things about his family and childhood, I don't think that's uncommon and I understand it. Also losing his Mom like that when he was so young must be a profound thing to have to make peace with. I haven't finished the book yet so I'm not sure about all of it, he does confuse me many times
Ive nearly finished the book. I believe Bono has no clue about depression. Perhaps hes one of these 'keep all the plates spinning so I dont have to deal with it' types. Either way he is insensitive to this issue.
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Ive nearly finished the book. I believe Bono has no clue about depression. Perhaps hes one of these 'keep all the plates spinning so I dont have to deal with it' types. Either way he is insensitive to this issue.
I find it rather strange, especially since, in the McCormick book, Bono is quoted as saying he had suicidal thoughts when he was a teenager. He's definitely a "not look back" kind of person.

He's also a person of deep faith, and a recent study at the U. of Chicago indicates that faith actually curbs depression. I think this is a factor in his attitude, perhaps because it's what worked for him in the past. I don't think he's lacking in empathy.

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I agree, Bonos faith has a heck of a lot to do with it. Although I havent read the University study about faith vs depression I'm sure the findings would be faith helps curb depression.

But, I do think Bono lacks empathy of depression. I have reread that section to see if its just the way it was written but I dont think so. Bono has previously said some odds things about Michael Hutchences suicide.

Just my thoughts.

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Well, I'd love for you to expand on those thoughts, please.
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I just got U2&I, it's amazing!!!! everytime i look through it i enjoy it more and more, you'll love it

I just got it yesterday ... My order finally came in !!
You're absolutely right !! These are fascinating photographs ...
it's truly amazing how Anton managed to photograph these pictures with such precision !! They're GREAT !!
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Well, I'd love for you to expand on those thoughts, please.
I havent forgotten about this question. I need two hands to answer it ie find the right page in the book. I'll see if I have a childfree moment today.
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Whilst waiting for Beli, I found an interesting quote from Jim Sheridan, the film director. He's known Bono since he was a teenager. Here's what he says:

"For such a public person, Bono is amazingly private. You may think you know a lot about him, but you don't really. He has that rare ability to hide in plain sight."

Even his friends find him a mystery!
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