Why do so many people (even U2 fans) have issues with Bono?

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I got into U2, back in the early eighties. When, I first heard saw them on the Tom Synder Show and later, when college radio stations were playing them.

I can understand Bono's strong personality could put some people off. It seems to me that he probably relates better to women, than men. But, like Ozeeko, who I think, made several great points. It is about the music. Always has been. I didn't even know until recent years. Bono was married. Never really thought about it. I'm not concerned with Bono's personal life.

Since, he will never be my neighbor. :lol:
 
It's the fucking sunglasses!!!! And the way he speaks, it's really annoying and he sounds pompous.

The only thing that I don't like (aside from the shades) is that he is always trying to get countries who don't even care about their own citizens to take responsibility for the well being of residents of other nations. He should push governments to be responsible to the people that elect them, then go help everyone else.

Actually, I find him really annoying too. I hate how he speaks, how he's always trying to sound profound and clever but ends up sounding like a moron. This is a main complaint of Bono haters I've known, and I agree, up to a point.
 
It's the fucking sunglasses!!!! And the way he speaks, it's really annoying and he sounds pompous.

The only thing that I don't like (aside from the shades) is that he is always trying to get countries who don't even care about their own citizens to take responsibility for the well being of residents of other nations. He should push governments to be responsible to the people that elect them, then go help everyone else.

Actually, I find him really annoying too. I hate how he speaks, how he's always trying to sound profound and clever but ends up sounding like a moron. This is a main complaint of Bono haters I've known, and I agree, up to a point.


But he is!
 
I thought noone could notice it because I striked it off. :sexywink:


He is becoming old like everyone of us. :(

Not sure what this means, but out of curiosity what do you like about U2?
Being this is a U2 fan site and all.

It's the fucking sunglasses!!!! And the way he speaks, it's really annoying and he sounds pompous.

The only thing that I don't like (aside from the shades) is that he is always trying to get countries who don't even care about their own citizens to take responsibility for the well being of residents of other nations.

Those who who have the same opportunities as the rest of the developed nations, Yeah, what's their problem. Why can't they keep from dying?
Sunglasses, If you even had an idea of how you sound, you would know the true meaning of pompous. (ass)
 
Fren and JimyJazz: after carefully reading your posts in this thread, all I have to say is

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It's the fucking sunglasses!!!! And the way he speaks, it's really annoying and he sounds pompous.

The only thing that I don't like (aside from the shades) is that he is always trying to get countries who don't even care about their own citizens to take responsibility for the well being of residents of other nations. He should push governments to be responsible to the people that elect them, then go help everyone else.

Actually, I find him really annoying too. I hate how he speaks, how he's always trying to sound profound and clever but ends up sounding like a moron. This is a main complaint of Bono haters I've known, and I agree, up to a point.

What do you feel about people who repeat themselves, even within the same post? Or people who sign on to rile people up? How do you feel about them?

So you want Bono to tell governments to do their job? Um, it sounds like you just don't like humanitarianism to begin with... Right?
 
The thing that baffles me about the Bono-hatred (as opposed to U2-hatred -- see below) is that he never says anything critical of anyone in particular. Then you have people like Noel Gallagher who have to resort to picking on other stars publicly in order to keep his name in the headlines, and he gets a free pass. But Bono is the target of hatred for saying good things about everyone and keeping his nose clean. Does this make sense? I've never had any issues with Bono whether or not I agree with his politics (I do, 90% of the time). But even if I didn't, I don't really care about what he says. I mean, I don't listen to The Temptations' Greatest Hits CD to learn about David Ruffin's opinions on the late 60s decline of the Detroit Auto Industry, and I don't listen to U2 to learn about Bono's personal ideas. There is a difference in my mind between art and intellect, and if at times the two meet (as they should), I still judge the art as art, not as intellect. (Likewise, when I proofread my fiancee's PhD dissertation, I didn't criticize its lack of entertainment value.)

The one time when I thought Bono was breaching the line between art and soapbox preaching was parts of the Vertigo tour, when the musical aspect of the show seemed to get sidelined in favor of the One campaign and whatever noble cause was on Bono's mind. It's one thing to dedicate a song, or of course to sing a topical song (which is great -- not that U2 really sing anything topical, as all their lyrics are quite vague in terms of subject matter), but it's quite another to give a 10-minute speech during what should be (in my opinion) a musical show. I think Bono overdid this on the Vertigo tour, and I also think Edge and the others called him out on it.

But other than that brief lapse into questionable preaching, I'm baffled as to why many people would hate Bono.

I do sort of understand, however, why people might hate U2. And -- I hate to say this because I largely love their 2000s' music -- I can also understand why more and more people might hate them now. I have nothing against a band selling itself to a huge audience, and I think it's commendable that U2 still have the juice to want to be bigger than Elvis and The Pope combined. The whole iPod commercial in 2004 passed me by (I've still never seen it -- the first time I heard "Vertigo" was when I bought the CD), but I have to admit that when I saw the Blackberry ad today on the Internet, I cringed.

At some point, I think there are enough U2 lovers and U2 haters in the world. I'm getting confused as to why the band seem to want more of both... then, there's the issue of the massive carbon footprint left by their current tour and its apparatus. I do prefer indoor arenas and a stripped-down show.

I guess the issue I have with the "everything on a massive scale" approach is that, when the music its selling (the current CD) is a huge hit, it pretty much comes off well. But when the music its selling isn't such an overwhelming hit (as with Pop), the tour comes to be the event in itself, and if that tour is still on a massive scale, it starts to appear bloated, rock star-ish, and a bit like -- dare I say it? -- The Rolling Stones.

Nevertheless, there's no conceivable reason to hate on Bono. Even if you intellectually disagree with his entire approach to his celebrity currency and his humanitarian endeavours, he's still getting off his ass to do something he thinks is positive. Why people hate this is beyond me. It's sort-of comparable to those who think Global Warming isn't caused by humans, and therefore we can pollute the earth as much as we want. It's like -- even if Global Warming isn't caused by humans and won't threaten our species' way of life, is it not still better to work more towards an environmentally responsible way of life? Likewise, even if Bono is completely off his rocker, he's still doing a lot more good than harm. Nothing to hate him for.
 
The thing that baffles me about the Bono-hatred (as opposed to U2-hatred -- see below) is that he never says anything critical of anyone in particular. Then you have people like Noel Gallagher who have to resort to picking on other stars publicly in order to keep his name in the headlines, and he gets a free pass. But Bono is the target of hatred for saying good things about everyone and keeping his nose clean. Does this make sense? I've never had any issues with Bono whether or not I agree with his politics (I do, 90% of the time). But even if I didn't, I don't really care about what he says. I mean, I don't listen to The Temptations' Greatest Hits CD to learn about David Ruffin's opinions on the late 60s decline of the Detroit Auto Industry, and I don't listen to U2 to learn about Bono's personal ideas. There is a difference in my mind between art and intellect, and if at times the two meet (as they should), I still judge the art as art, not as intellect. (Likewise, when I proofread my fiancee's PhD dissertation, I didn't criticize its lack of entertainment value.)

The one time when I thought Bono was breaching the line between art and soapbox preaching was parts of the Vertigo tour, when the musical aspect of the show seemed to get sidelined in favor of the One campaign and whatever noble cause was on Bono's mind. It's one thing to dedicate a song, or of course to sing a topical song (which is great -- not that U2 really sing anything topical, as all their lyrics are quite vague in terms of subject matter), but it's quite another to give a 10-minute speech during what should be (in my opinion) a musical show. I think Bono overdid this on the Vertigo tour, and I also think Edge and the others called him out on it.

But other than that brief lapse into questionable preaching, I'm baffled as to why many people would hate Bono.

I do sort of understand, however, why people might hate U2. And -- I hate to say this because I largely love their 2000s' music -- I can also understand why more and more people might hate them now. I have nothing against a band selling itself to a huge audience, and I think it's commendable that U2 still have the juice to want to be bigger than Elvis and The Pope combined. The whole iPod commercial in 2004 passed me by (I've still never seen it -- the first time I heard "Vertigo" was when I bought the CD), but I have to admit that when I saw the Blackberry ad today on the Internet, I cringed.

At some point, I think there are enough U2 lovers and U2 haters in the world. I'm getting confused as to why the band seem to want more of both... then, there's the issue of the massive carbon footprint left by their current tour and its apparatus. I do prefer indoor arenas and a stripped-down show.

I guess the issue I have with the "everything on a massive scale" approach is that, when the music its selling (the current CD) is a huge hit, it pretty much comes off well. But when the music its selling isn't such an overwhelming hit (as with Pop), the tour comes to be the event in itself, and if that tour is still on a massive scale, it starts to appear bloated, rock star-ish, and a bit like -- dare I say it? -- The Rolling Stones.

Nevertheless, there's no conceivable reason to hate on Bono. Even if you intellectually disagree with his entire approach to his celebrity currency and his humanitarian endeavours, he's still getting off his ass to do something he thinks is positive. Why people hate this is beyond me. It's sort-of comparable to those who think Global Warming isn't caused by humans, and therefore we can pollute the earth as much as we want. It's like -- even if Global Warming isn't caused by humans and won't threaten our species' way of life, is it not still better to work more towards an environmentally responsible way of life? Likewise, even if Bono is completely off his rocker, he's still doing a lot more good than harm. Nothing to hate him for.

Excellent post, although I still think it's because of the sunglasses.
 
I thought noone could notice it because I striked it off. :sexywink:

No, you struck it off to deliberately rile people up. If you didn't want to say it, you wouldn't have, or you would have edited it out completely. We call this...wait for it...it's coming after the next quote:



It's the fucking sunglasses!!!! And the way he speaks, it's really annoying and he sounds pompous.

The only thing that I don't like (aside from the shades) is that he is always trying to get countries who don't even care about their own citizens to take responsibility for the well being of residents of other nations. He should push governments to be responsible to the people that elect them, then go help everyone else.

Actually, I find him really annoying too. I hate how he speaks, how he's always trying to sound profound and clever but ends up sounding like a moron. This is a main complaint of Bono haters I've known, and I agree, up to a point.

I hate to tell you, but Bono would dance circles around an ignorant (look up the word ignorant to understand) person like you in an intelligent debate.

Also:

 
Nevertheless, there's no conceivable reason to hate on Bono. Even if you intellectually disagree with his entire approach to his celebrity currency and his humanitarian endeavours, he's still getting off his ass to do something he thinks is positive. Why people hate this is beyond me. It's sort-of comparable to those who think Global Warming isn't caused by humans, and therefore we can pollute the earth as much as we want. It's like -- even if Global Warming isn't caused by humans and won't threaten our species' way of life, is it not still better to work more towards an environmentally responsible way of life? Likewise, even if Bono is completely off his rocker, he's still doing a lot more good than harm. Nothing to hate him for.

One of the great things about having a debate with intelligent people is that they are able to separate their own personal preferences from reason and simple common sense. I may not have agreed with the entire post, as I have pointed out before I believe Bono's 'political posturing' and 'rants' have not only toned down significantly since the 80s but also occupy far less of our precious "show minutes" if you will than they ever have...but I think your last paragraph was bang on. Great post. :up:
 
i mean if you really want to know here is a point of view from a bono hater..

he gives 11 reasons why

The eleven worst songs of 2004.

This person needs to get a life. He has issues. To go and buy an album of a band you hate and spend all that energy on this hatred. He would never listen to the songs in an objective, neutral manner because he is so caught up in his own hatred. I don't even have the energy to worry about the economic climate anymore nor about my circumstances over the upcoming months. I'm 27 and it seems all this energy has been burnt up during schooldays and when I was at Uni. My life motto seems to be go with the flow because I just haven't got the energy to worry about shit. Is this bad?
 


You need to read more books based on fact and not just accept what is given to you the real deal. How can Josh Groeban be considered a real opera singer when they play his music on my local radio station and a contestant sang one of his songs on the X Factor. Beyonce is dissapearing up her own beehive and NeYo is not as good as Michael Jackson. Bono effectively ruined his entire reputation as a singer 3 years ago. Because of this Marc Lemmar publically said that he can no longer sing in tune on Radio 2 just before 1st January 2008. Jon Earls only realized he was a good singer late 2007 and when I spotted that parody of Magneficent on YouTube on the Latterman show, there were more than one comments sugesting that you couldn't tell the difference between this and his singing in real life. They said at least the Beyonce spoof got people going and there was no point making him sound bad, he can sing bad in real life. Even Niel McCormick said that he's rubbish. He said Susan Boyle is better.
 
There are two types of major rock stars in the world: 1) those who are beholden to the blues, traditional forms, and musicality for music's sake. This type is epitomized by somebody like Eric Clapton. Then, there is 2) those who are performers and spirit-raisers, particularly those of the post-punk generation. This type is epitomized by Bono or Gavin Friday or Morrissey or Michael Stipe.

In my experience, the two types don't get along. For example, my dad is the first type, and he also thinks Bono is an arrogant prick. And he's never heard a U2 album. It's not a generational/age thing, it's just two different perspectives.

Although I've always been a huge U2 fan, I can understand the U2-haters at times (not the mindless "Bono is a douche!" ones, but the more intelligent variety). U2 can be a bit boring, bit self-important, and of course Bono's endless sermons on stage are easy to mock and parody -- I don't think there's any doubt that even his bandmates have criticized him for this at times. You know, there's the attitude -- quite understandable -- which is: "we're here for a concert, so shut up and play the songs." I sometimes feel that way, too.

There are two other factors I'll mention for why a lot of people hate Bono:
1) U2 have been the world' biggest group for at least 22 years -- this is not comparable to any other group, and so they are the biggest and easiest target of casual music fans -- and Bono is the face of U2.
2) U2 -- and esp. Bono -- are thoroughly uncool. They themselves know this and celebrate it almost, but I think, to a lot of casual music fans, U2's nerdiness (which endears itself to fans of other bands) turns people off. U2 is almost too willing to stick its collective neck out, in the hopes that critics will chop it off (which they do). Yet, despite this fact, U2 stays big and keeps getting bigger and bigger.... which just fuels their detractors' fire.

This post is brilliant. :applaud:

Bono has been preaching since the 80's. The "Rattle & Hum" movie showed the world that any speech is not unique - it's given again and again. While ZOO TV Bono slowed down, the Green Peace activities combined with Sarajevo link-ups proved that the Bono from the 80's was not gone. Even with PopMart, Bono was mocking, promoting, pushing. He mocked commercialism (while, of course selling T-shirts) but also had the mothers of lost children on stage while touring in South America.

With U2's "return to their roots", the activism was ramped up bigger than ever. The 80's Bono had the charity single here and there and the preaching on stage, but the 00's Bono is ubiquitous. It's hard to separate the music from the social commentaries because now, more than ever, they seem completely intertwined.

Many don't mind this. Many artists, Dylan, The Beatles, REM, etc., have combined music and politics or social commentaries. But even here I've read posts complaining about how people want to "escape" at a concert. They feel Bono's 1 minute rant could be more U2 music (completely unrealistic - it's not like U2 are on some timeline and they actually put in "rant" on their set list for the night). But to these people, the mere thought of hearing anything about the real world while they are being entertained is too much. I don't agree with this attitude and find it wildly selfish and self-centered. Poeple should always be about doing both. Money spent on a concert is a luxury. You are indeed entertained - but Bono is also reminding all of us, perhaps himself as well, that music and concerts are luxuries, luxuries many in the world do not have as they fight for freedom, injustic, food, water, shelter.

Trouble is, the western world, the U.S. in particular, tends to be a bit close-minded about this. We'll donate with the left hand, while putting our right hand up to say "Stop - enough!". It's almost like we donate just to feel good or to shut people up, not because we truly care. But in the end, I guess the result is the same. And if it takes Bono ranting to get people to at least realize what else is out there, other than their own tiny worlds, then I'll stand by him.

Still, this is why some hate U2 and Bono. Nothing new though - it's been going on for over 20 years.
 
This person needs to get a life. He has issues. To go and buy an album of a band you hate and spend all that energy on this hatred. He would never listen to the songs in an objective, neutral manner because he is so caught up in his own hatred. I don't even have the energy to worry about the economic climate anymore nor about my circumstances over the upcoming months. I'm 27 and it seems all this energy has been burnt up during schooldays and when I was at Uni. My life motto seems to be go with the flow because I just haven't got the energy to worry about shit. Is this bad?

I dunno, I think Maddox is, or at least was pretty good.

More crappy children's art work.

He writes like one article every forty billion years these days, though. You're probably putting more energy into arguing about it than he put into the whole article.

As for the rest of your post,
 
This person needs to get a life. He has issues. To go and buy an album of a band you hate and spend all that energy on this hatred. He would never listen to the songs in an objective, neutral manner because he is so caught up in his own hatred. I don't even have the energy to worry about the economic climate anymore nor about my circumstances over the upcoming months. I'm 27 and it seems all this energy has been burnt up during schooldays and when I was at Uni. My life motto seems to be go with the flow because I just haven't got the energy to worry about shit. Is this bad?

What makes you even think he BOUGHT the cd. :wink: He's a sad kid without a life, job or money. Quite obvious he either downloaded and listened quickly or just listened on youtube for a few seconds.
 
What makes you even think he BOUGHT the cd. :wink: He's a sad kid without a life, job or money. Quite obvious he either downloaded and listened quickly or just listened on youtube for a few seconds.

Maddox has authored books, and as mentioned before, only publishes an article onto his site a couple of times a year. Furthermore, he's pretty much the godfather of internet humour. I dunno, I think he's doing better than a lot of us saps.
 
It's the fucking sunglasses!!!! And the way he speaks, it's really annoying and he sounds pompous.

The only thing that I don't like (aside from the shades) is that he is always trying to get countries who don't even care about their own citizens to take responsibility for the well being of residents of other nations. He should push governments to be responsible to the people that elect them, then go help everyone else.

Actually, I find him really annoying too. I hate how he speaks, how he's always trying to sound profound and clever but ends up sounding like a moron. This is a main complaint of Bono haters I've known, and I agree, up to a point.

I don't think that Bono is a moron. He seems to be very intelligent. He does his "homework" and knows what he is talking about. If he didn't. The world leaders wouldn't give him the time of day.
 
He's definitely not a moron; he's a very intelligent man but sometimes he doesn't seem like a man who thinks much before he speaks. It's a problem for anyone with a big mouth. And I remember reading an interview a few years ago where the interviewer was surprised that Bono wasn't drunk because he usually is for interviews.

I think Bono is a good man.
 
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