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Old 11-14-2018, 04:58 AM   #1
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The Best of the Innocence and Experience Era

I’ve been thinking with this era now done and dusted, it was worth looking back at the best bits of the period that started with the release of Ordinary Love. I’d love to hear the main highlights of the era for you - best new tunes, tour highlights, personal stories... it’s up to you. For me:

New songs:

When the dust settles, I think it is clear that these two albums are a substantial step up from NLOTH.

Invisible - I am a sucker for a rousing U2 chorus. I also like to hear them exploring new sounds, and there was something really endearing about the introduction to their introspective period.

Every Breaking Wave - this songs drips catchiness and quality. I love everything about it - the melody, the chords, the way Bono’s vocals soar in the final chorus.

Raised By Wolves - Bono in evocative lyric mode, loved the vocal effects, the jarring guitars. Edge got some attitude back.

The Troubles - the first in a series of winding melodies in this period. In years to come, I will really associate this period with Bono exploring vocal melodies, and Adam exploring real bass lines.

Love is All We Have Left - The first example of U2 exercising restraint since One Step Closer, this one catches in my chest every time.

Red Flag Day - fun U2 returns, but collided with early 80s U2. This one is a “never skip” for me.

The Little Things That Give You Away - This is the real triumph of this era. It’s dark, it’s emotive, it builds, it pays off, it is lyrical, it has all members firing, its atmospheric, and it just fucking rules.

Love is Bigger Than Anything in its Way - I didn’t know they could write crowd pleasers like this any more. Just a great pop song with great messages.

Bonus songs - how great was it to get some b sides or equivalents. And they were ALL very good - Lucifer’s Hands, The Crystal Ballroom, and The Book of Your Heart were worthy additions to this era.

Tours:

The screen - what an innovation. The first time I saw Cedarwood Rd videos on YouTube and Bono was IN THE SCREEN it was just wild. They continue to be innovation leaders, and their relevance really does rest with their ability to change the way tours run and look.

The songs - we finally got live versions of Red Hill Mining Town and Acrobat. Acrobat was incredible. We saw the return of A Sort of Homecoming, Exit, One Tree Hill, Trip Through Your Wires, Running to Stand Still, In God’s Country, Mother’s of the Disappeared, New Year’s Day’s final verse, Wild Horses, Zoo Station, Stay, October, Sweetest Thing, When Love Comes to Town, Two Hearts Beat as One, Miracle Drug, Satellite of Love, The Ocean, full band Desire, All Because of You, Staring at the Sun and The Unforgettable Fire.
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I would add The Blackout to that list of great songs.
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Old 11-14-2018, 05:40 PM   #3
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An era of incredible live confidence, as evidenced by the loads of new material played on each tour - SOI and SOE each had 12 songs performed live, which after only featuring 7 NLOTH songs on 360 is incredible (excluding the unreleased songs from 2010, but even those didn’t get a ton of play. This confidence also shows up in the warhorses that got less play: One only showed up at half of the IE shows, SBS sat out the last 3rd of EI, and the Joshua tree sat out EI entirely.

But for better or worse, this era will likely be defined in the public conscious by the SOI debacle. Too bad because it overshadows two great late-period albums and some incredible live shows.
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JT30 is the only redeeming feature of the last five years.
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I’ve been thinking with this era now done and dusted, it was worth looking back at the best bits of the period that started with the release of Ordinary Love. I’d love to hear the main highlights of the era for you - best new tunes, tour highlights, personal stories... it’s up to you. For me:

New songs:

When the dust settles, I think it is clear that these two albums are a substantial step up from NLOTH.

Invisible - I am a sucker for a rousing U2 chorus. I also like to hear them exploring new sounds, and there was something really endearing about the introduction to their introspective period.

Every Breaking Wave - this songs drips catchiness and quality. I love everything about it - the melody, the chords, the way Bono’s vocals soar in the final chorus.

Raised By Wolves - Bono in evocative lyric mode, loved the vocal effects, the jarring guitars. Edge got some attitude back.

The Troubles - the first in a series of winding melodies in this period. In years to come, I will really associate this period with Bono exploring vocal melodies, and Adam exploring real bass lines.

Love is All We Have Left - The first example of U2 exercising restraint since One Step Closer, this one catches in my chest every time.

Red Flag Day - fun U2 returns, but collided with early 80s U2. This one is a “never skip” for me.

The Little Things That Give You Away - This is the real triumph of this era. It’s dark, it’s emotive, it builds, it pays off, it is lyrical, it has all members firing, its atmospheric, and it just fucking rules.

Love is Bigger Than Anything in its Way - I didn’t know they could write crowd pleasers like this any more. Just a great pop song with great messages.

Bonus songs - how great was it to get some b sides or equivalents. And they were ALL very good - Lucifer’s Hands, The Crystal Ballroom, and The Book of Your Heart were worthy additions to this era.

Tours:

The screen - what an innovation. The first time I saw Cedarwood Rd videos on YouTube and Bono was IN THE SCREEN it was just wild. They continue to be innovation leaders, and their relevance really does rest with their ability to change the way tours run and look.

The songs - we finally got live versions of Red Hill Mining Town and Acrobat. Acrobat was incredible. We saw the return of A Sort of Homecoming, Exit, One Tree Hill, Trip Through Your Wires, Running to Stand Still, In God’s Country, Mother’s of the Disappeared, New Year’s Day’s final verse, Wild Horses, Zoo Station, Stay, October, Sweetest Thing, When Love Comes to Town, Two Hearts Beat as One, Miracle Drug, Satellite of Love, The Ocean, full band Desire, All Because of You, Staring at the Sun and The Unforgettable Fire.
Really good idea, great post.

I agree with pretty much everything you've said here other than I still can't get into Love is Bigger for whatever reason.

I'd add Reach Around, Sleep Like A baby, California and Summer of Love to your list of great songs.

It's a real shame that Invisible and Every Breaking Wave didn't become bigger hits, if they had been released in earlier decades I'm sure they would have been and sat amongst the pantheon of U2's greatest hits.
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A rocky start, with an album that wanted to harken back to their younger days, but did so in a way that just made it feel old and weary instead of inspired, and live shows that I thought were good rather than great. However, I'm a big fan of SoE; ironically, considering all the talk that SoI was all about the songs, SoE had a considerably better collection of songs. The melodies were better, the production felt lighter and more energetic, and it's overall just more pleasing to listen to.

They also had a few pretty great performances such as the Tonight Show performance (BTBS in particular was fire) and the BBC Music concert with the orchestra. Definitely an optimistic, good end to this era.
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What’s the consensus of SOE vs. SOI? I too have a strong preference for SOE.

It’s mainly because the top songs on SOE are so strong. Little Things, Love Is Bigger, and Landlady are truly excellent, probably better than any single song on SOI for me. I also really like Lights of Home and have a soft spot for both Best Thing and, actually, GOO Your Own Way.

By contrast, I like California, EBW Take II, The Miracle, and The Troubles, but really at the level of second-tier SOE songs. California sometimes bubbles higher because it triggers personal nostalgia. But certainly nothing rises up to Little Things level. Maybe fitting that the best song of the era came from the NLOTH sessions originally...

The rest of both albums are fairly mediocre in my view. And I guess they both have narratives (well, more like themes), but neither is captivating in the sense that Zooropa’s is.
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I did a quick re-ranking of SOI/SOE, putting songs in great/good/eh categories.

Great: SOI/SOE 4 each
Good: SOI/SOE 3 each
Eh: SOI 4 / SOE 5

More even than I remember.

While they're both better than NLOTH, they continue the tradition of having three songs near the start of the album that kill the momentum before most of the stronger songs appear in the second half. (I put California in my "great" category, the next-earliest songs were #7 Red Flag Day and #9 Sleep Like a Baby Tonight/Little Things).
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JT30 is the only redeeming feature of the last five years.
Harsh but not totally unfair.

My favorite song on SOE is Love Is Bigger and I'm not sure it would crack my top 5 if it were on NLOTH.
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JT30 was a horrible cash grab and largely built to capture casuals. 1st half of show was admittedly pretty great with the visuals, but 2nd half was a pure sleeper and cring worthy with all the lame politico BS and women's rights posturing.

Can't see why anyone would rank this higher than the I+E tour (I did not see E+I so can't really comment).
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I can. One tour featured a large majority of songs from their greatest era. The other was saddled with 21st century songs.
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Book of your heart is my favourite of this era and one of my favorites of u2 2000’s.
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The best ? The tour with the Barricage (I consider I/E and E/I two halves of the same story). While I would have liked at least some of SOI songs at Milan show I attended, I'm grateful for so much of AB/Stay/Gloria/IWF/NYD on the last leg.

Songs ? Cedarwood Road/Raised by wolves, Blackout and Love is bigger... can return to the setlist any time. EBW and Little things can be added to the pantheon of great U2 songs.

SOI is to these ears the best since AB. Consistently good, strong theme.
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