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Old 08-19-2011, 09:37 AM   #151
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Bono's vocals on ATYCLB are pretty good overall

Only if you don't compare them to his vocals on ANY other albums. It's his low-point.
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:05 AM   #152
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Only if you don't compare them to his vocals on ANY other albums. It's his low-point.
Do you have any objective points comparing it to say pop?
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Old 08-19-2011, 01:09 PM   #153
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Do you have any objective points comparing it to say pop?
I'm not sure how one generates an objective point on this. But, he neither manages to sound as smooth as "IYWTVD", or as sexy as "DYFL", or as awesome as Discotheque, Please, and Gone anywhere on ATYCLB IMO.

He has talked quite a bit about the decline of his voice and how that all turned around only after his father died (during the Elevation tour.)

Having been to a lot of POPMART and Elevation shows myself, I have to say the POPMART shows featured him at a higher vocal point. Neither of which are him at a great place vocally. His peak was Lovetown, his bottom seems to have been Elevation, and he has been getting better tour after tour post-Elevation.
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His voice might be pretty bad on most ATYCLB tracks but his delivery of In A Little While is stunning.
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Old 08-19-2011, 01:58 PM   #155
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Bono's voice is supposed to sound world-weary on ATYCLB. Or, rather, the fact that it does is a happy accident. If he sounded like Josh Groban on it, the songs would come across as sugary and preachy; you couldn't feel Walk On or When I Look At The World.

I don't think that ATYCLB is terribly imaginative, but Bono's voice isn't the weak link.
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Bono's voice is supposed to sound world-weary on ATYCLB. Or, rather, the fact that it does is a happy accident. If he sounded like Josh Groban on it, the songs would come across as sugary and preachy; you couldn't feel Walk On or When I Look At The World.
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Old 08-19-2011, 02:44 PM   #157
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Despite his vocal problems around 96/97, I think he gets away with it on Pop, just.

The songs are maybe not overtly taxing on the voice, at least not compared to the type of stuff he was doing on JT and R & H. He made his shortcomings work in his favour and he's kind of been doing that in various different ways ever since.

ATYCLB is much more of a singers record, big vocals are centre stage again and I think, for the most part he steps up to the plate. To my ears, HTDAAB and NLOTH sound more inconsistent.

Sometimes You Can't Make It and Moment of Surrender both have brilliant moments, but then you also have the likes of Miracle Drug and Unknown Caller.

When I hear Wake Up Dead Man, there can be no doubt that the narrator is a broken down man, at the end of his tether. Any vocal shortcomings are perfectly acceptable. The problem emerges when Bono starts to use this approach as a kind of strut to fall back on.

The 'world weary' method is fine, but perhaps he uses it as an excuse at times.
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His voice might be pretty bad on most ATYCLB tracks but his delivery of In A Little While is stunning.
Agreed. Best song on the album!
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Old 08-19-2011, 02:49 PM   #159
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you couldn't feel Walk On or When I Look At The World.
As it turns out, maybe I can't. I don't think they're very good songs.
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Despite his vocal problems around 96/97, I think he gets away with it on Pop, just.

The songs are maybe not overtly taxing on the voice, at least not compared to the type of stuff he was doing on JT and R & H. He made his shortcomings work in his favour and he's kind of been doing that in various different ways ever since.

ATYCLB is much more of a singers record, big vocals are centre stage again and I think, for the most part he steps up to the plate. To my ears, HTDAAB and NLOTH sound more inconsistent.

Sometimes You Can't Make It and Moment of Surrender both have brilliant moments, but then you also have the likes of Miracle Drug and Unknown Caller.

When I hear Wake Up Dead Man, there can be no doubt that the narrator is a broken down man, at the end of his tether. Any vocal shortcomings are perfectly acceptable. The problem emerges when Bono starts to use this approach as a kind of strut to fall back on.

The 'world weary' method is fine, but perhaps he uses it as an excuse at times.
He's very good at noticing his weaknesses and then adopting a Pee-Wee Hermanesque pose so that he appears to have "meant to do that."
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Coincidentally, I was just reading a transcript on CNN.com of an interview Bono did with Larry King in 2002, and he seems to think the album count is less than three there!

KING: How long can a band last when the audience generally is young? Can a band -- can a rock band be in their 60s?

BONO: I don't know. I just -- I don't know if I want to be in a rock band in my 60s. My attitude is two crap albums in a row and you're out. So, I mean, I don't know long we'll go.
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Yes, the OP made a mistake. It was always 2.
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I have a fondness for Bono's singing on ATYCLB because you can hear him finding back his voice while knowing he's not there quite yet
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:12 PM   #164
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Would it be out of line to suggest that the quality of Bono's voice is determined by what is required by (or suitable for) the song in question?
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DevilsShoes, Let me preface this by saying, again, that I love your posts. (If only everyone would take the time to write such intelligent, well-formed comments.)
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In general the most successful U2 singles are those with big, simple ideas at their core; Beautiful Day, One, With or Without You, Desire, Pride etc.
If we're talking about lyrical ideas (as opposed to musical), then I agree about "Desire" and "Pride" being big and simple. But I don't agree as regards "Beautiful Day", "One", or "With or Without You". Those are all lyrically odd tunes. To this day, I really have no way to articulate what Bono is trying to communicate on "With or Without You".
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I've always felt that Wild Horses was the weak link on AB, it does seem very much like a throwback to a previous era of the band and I think it sits a little uneasily on that first side.
Actually, I'd almost forgotten this from over-familiarity with the record, but you're right that "Wild Horses" always sounded a bit out of place. I remember feeling that way even back in 91/92. It's probably because the lyric is quite earnest, and the chorus is kind of soaring, in an 80s-U2 kind of a way. However, the song is still so good that I don't mind it at all!
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